Timeline for A suggested alternative to marking similar but different questions as duplicates
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Jul 5, 2018 at 21:09 | comment | added | fbueckert | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 21:09 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - You don't have to give a tutorial in this instance. Just give the function instead of saying the question is a dupe of an unrelated question that might mention the function somewhere. This isn't about hand holding or giving tutorials. This is about giving useful answers. That question being marked as a dupe in the way that it is is not useful. The answer to that question is useful. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 21:05 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics No, I'm saying that if the user is unable to articulate how it does not work, either through inability to adapt code or exercise any effort on their own, then we're not the place for it. You're looking for us to treat each user to a specialized tutorial that explains whole concepts and algorithms to them, whereas we're specifically assuming the user has a baseline level of ability to put more generic answers into practice. We'll help you with your task. We won't do it for you. This is a core difference between your help desk and our repository. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 21:02 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - That doesn't make any sense, even in this specific question. Are you saying that just because the function that you're looking for is used once in part of a lot more code of a low ranked answer to a completely unrelated question, I can mark is as a duplicate? That is in no way useful for the asker, even if they do put the work in that you're asking for. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:57 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics Yes, and that gets back to the whole, "We won't spoonfeed you" bit. You are required to exert some effort of your own, and adapt it to work for your specific scenario. Either before asking, and showing us what you found and why it doesn't work, or after getting duped, and showing how it doesn't work for you. If all you do is copy and paste the answer and it doesn't work, and that's what you complain about, it's not going to get reopened. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:53 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - There are very few answers in the second link that actually convert it into a list, and those that do have that line of code surrounded by a bunch of other lines of code because the questions have different goals. The answer given to the question that is marked as a dupe is the only correct answer, and none of the answers to the referenced questions clearly give the answer to "how to turn an enum into a list". | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:49 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics A question closed for five years seems like a less than ideal example, but alright. The second dupe looks like a more applicable one. Now, look at the answer. It's short, concise, and shows exactly how to treat an Enum like a list. How does it not answer the question? | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:37 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - Here's a weird one: stackoverflow.com/questions/1167361/… - Those questions that this question is marked as a duplicate of are related but are completely different questions. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:22 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics Okay. So show us some links, so we have specific items to discuss. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:21 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - Yes. That's what the arguments are usually about. It's usually "I'm looking for how to do this specific task. Not that other task." followed by the responder trying to convince them that things that are different aren't different. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:19 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics And is that information in their question? Is it clearly stated? Do they tell us why the dupe doesn't work? Or do we just get a, "I read the dupe, but it doesn't work"? Please give us some concrete links of where you believe a question was duped, and you think it's wrong. Then we have a proper scenario to compare against. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:17 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - It doesn't work just the same though. I've seen users get their questions locked without an adequate answer just because it was a similar question that asked for a more specific answer. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:13 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics And if it still works the same, what's the problem? They're getting their answer, we're just not spoonfeeding it to them. We do require users here to exercise at least a modicum of effort on their own behalf. If it doesn't work, the onus is on the asker to differentiate how it's not. That doesn't seem like too much to ask. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:12 | comment | added | Danegraphics | @fbueckert - I'm not talking about the cases where a question is impossibly vague. I'm talking about the questions that are specific in such a way that they differentiate it from a similar question. I see far too many of those marked as dupes. When asked to clearly state why its not, they often do, only to be told "but it still works the same blah blah blah therefore dupe", which is both inconsiderate and unhelpful. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 20:08 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Danegraphics If a question is not a dupe, the onus is on the asker to clearly state how it's not. If all we get is, "I get this error, and it's not working", well, what are we supposed to do? Tease all the relevant information out of him bit by bit until we figure out what he's asking? Or just dupe it, and leave it to him to figure out how it doesn't work? | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 19:02 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Danegraphics: It is not unreasonable to expect users to be able to apply general information to their specific use cases. Some problems manifest themselves in manifold way, all requiring essentially the same solution. We cannot be here to hand-hold every single user through the same information. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 18:08 | comment | added | Danegraphics | In my experience on the site, it tends to be the rule rather than the exception that the questions are in fact different, requiring an individually clarified answer. Far too often, those marking it as dup assume that the asker understands the similarity of the question and how its answer applies, which is often not the case. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 18:04 | comment | added | Makoto | @Danegraphics: You're right, but those are the exception rather than the rule. It is very much the case that I have closed a question in error when the cause was something other than what it had seemed to be, and that was ameliorated in the principle way we do around here - a Meta post and more eyes on the question. In all reality the duplicate question should cover the scenario which would cause the error to be invoked, which is why one would vote to close in the first place. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 18:03 | comment | added | Danegraphics | That is exactly what I am saying. Because the code is different, there is no indication that the cause is the same. In one instance it could be because the object wasn't instantiated correctly, in another it could be because they mistyped the name of the reference, and in yet another, it could be because it was referenced out of scope. The same error does not indicate the same cause. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 17:59 | comment | added | Makoto |
@Danegraphics: I fail to see your perspective here. If, hypothetically, you're asking why your application fails with a NullPointerException , and another person is confused as to why when they run their application that they're getting a NullPointerException , and even though the code to generate the error is radically different, you're suggesting that the root cause is not the same...?
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Jul 5, 2018 at 17:57 | comment | added | Danegraphics | The problem with that policy is what we have now. The information may not be fragmented and divided, but the information becomes FAR less useful and less trustworthy. An answer being the same does not by any means signify that the questions are the same. | |
Jul 5, 2018 at 17:55 | history | answered | Makoto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |