Timeline for Merging the [excel-vba] into [vba] - speak now, or forever hold your peace
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Jul 4, 2018 at 1:14 | comment | added | Braiam | @MathieuGuindon yet it's very disruptive to the answerers. | |
Jul 2, 2018 at 16:25 | comment | added | Mathieu Guindon | @RyanLundy split tags works very well for every other language tag on the site though. Splitting the tags will contribute to educate the many folks that seem to think "Excel-VBA" is a language. Your last contribution in the VBA tag was almost a decade ago (btw kudos for a 4-digit user id!!)... I monitor the VBA tag on the daily, and I'd need to follow a bunch of confusing "host" tags to see everything VBA just because people don't understand that the language is VBA and that's the only language tag they need to use. 95% of VBA code is written in Excel anyway, there's no focus problem. | |
Jul 2, 2018 at 15:53 | comment | added | Ryan Lundy |
Splitting excel-vba into excel and vba means that anyone interested in excel will see the question, and anyone interested in vba (with any Office program) will see it. A rather small intersection of these people will actually be interested in VBA for Excel, rather than VBA for another program or Excel for another reason. The tags don't find things by intersection; they're an OR, not an AND. Splitting the tags will lose focus and annoy people.
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Jun 30, 2018 at 22:23 | comment | added | Zev Spitz | @david Excel VBA is a programming language which includes language elements for manipulating spreadsheets. Except that those same elements can be used equally well from Access-hosted VBA or any <app>-hosted VBA. Why then should these elements be defined as part of the language, instead of elements of a referenced library? | |
Jun 29, 2018 at 18:42 | comment | added | Mathieu Guindon |
@cxw [vba] +typelibs is all that matters. The host application merely determines what type library is referenced by default (and can't be removed), on top of the VBA standard library - that's entirely covered by [vba][excel][word] , assuming the OP isn't just a code dump without any context or description... which would be an unclear question regardless of the tags. Also, [vba] being the language, it needs its own language tag - also "hosted in Excel" is completely irrelevant for 99% of the [userform] and [web-scraping] VBA questions. VBA is a full-fledged language, full stop.
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Jun 29, 2018 at 16:51 | comment | added | cxw |
What about naming the tags so they expressly reference the host application? vba-in-excel + word-automation for VBA code running in Excel to automate Word, using the Word object model?
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Jun 29, 2018 at 7:53 | comment | added | david | This is a common but very narrow view of a programming language. Yes, c is a small language of only 32 keywords, which does not include an IO capability, so the iconic hello-world program is "not really c". Or, alternatively, Excel VBA is a programming language which includes language elements for manipulating spreadsheets. FWIW, the latter was the point of view of the designers of Excel VBA: by design it was an extensible language. And the former was the view of the designer of c: by design, the language did not include the system library. | |
Jun 26, 2018 at 19:41 | comment | added | Mathieu Guindon |
Also, the VBA standard library isn't VBA the language, it's just the standard library - conflating language with library is pretty much like saying C# is the System namespace.
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Jun 26, 2018 at 19:38 | comment | added | Mathieu Guindon | @Parfait correct. It just so happens that the host app's object model can't be removed from project references (ditto with the VBA standard library) - that said Cindy has a point: it does put a bit of a burden on us veterans to ensure tagging is done properly... but then, what else is new? ;-) | |
Jun 26, 2018 at 19:35 | comment | added | Parfait | @MathieuGuindon ... agreed. We should make a note that VBA is a just layer like other languages. In fact, it is the first default checked item under Tools\References! It has nothing to do with actual Office app. | |
Jun 26, 2018 at 19:28 | comment | added | Mathieu Guindon | @Parfait and many Python questions dealing with the Excel libraries frequently tag with python and excel, just like many c# questions do. I'm failing to see how vba should be any different. | |
Jun 26, 2018 at 19:16 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | But then you'll have the problem that people who post will NOT add two tags, meaning we'll have to do a lot more tag editing AND asking people what application they're using. | |
Jun 26, 2018 at 19:12 | comment | added | Parfait | Meanwhile, any COM connected language (not just VBA) can run specific object models. I have run Access/Excel methods in Python, R, even PHP! | |
Jun 26, 2018 at 14:31 | history | answered | Mathieu Guindon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |