Timeline for What have I done wrong if OP comments "this entire site is discouraging to newcomers"? Considering rudeness / politeness
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May 27, 2018 at 18:54 | comment | added | user4639281 | ... Saying "While not required, this would be a much better question if it included X, and I would be more willing to provide an answer." would be much more effective at achieving your goal, and would be the truth. | |
May 27, 2018 at 18:54 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PM2Ring There's a difference between a question being acceptable, and a question being something you want to answer. If you don't want to answer it because you don't feel that they put enough effort into solving their problem, that's fine. Someone else may think it is perfectly fine the way it is and want to answer it. My point is: saying something needs something when it doesn't actually need that thing, and would really just be a better if it had that thing, is misleading and detrimental to your goal. ... | |
May 27, 2018 at 18:33 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @TinyGiant FWIW, I probably spend more time posting constructive comments to help OPs make their question (more) answerable than I do writing answers. (I also like to assist the low-rep answerers in fixing up flaws in their answers, and encouraging them to add a little bit of explanatory text rather than posting code-only answers). I firmly believe in encouraging OPs to write good quality questions by positive suggestions rather than by telling them "you're doing it wrong, you have to do <this>". But if I feel an OP isn't worth the effort, I'm not inclined to waste energy on them. | |
May 27, 2018 at 18:30 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @TinyGiant Well sure, it's a subjective judgement. But hey, if I'm going to voluntarily expend time & energy on helping someone I get to choose who I want to help. And for me that means someone who's here to learn, not someone who's merely here for a free ride. However, I don't berate people or say "What have you tried?". The closest I come to that is saying "If you want help with this, please show us your code and we can help you fix it". | |
May 27, 2018 at 18:09 | comment | added | user4639281 | The point of the matter is that if we stopped worrying about all of the irrelevant nonsense, we might actually be able to see and focus on the real problems. Telling the op that they need to break their problem down into smaller more manageable pieces because it is too broad is so much more helpful than telling them that we aren't a coding service, or that you think their question isn't sincere enough, or whatever. | |
May 27, 2018 at 18:04 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PM2Ring if you subjectively feel that the OP is sincere enough. You can see how that argument breaks down. The op is now supposed to gauge the sincerity level that may be assigned to their question before posting so as to prevent anyone from assuming that they are insincere? If it's on-topic, reasonably scoped, and not a duplicate, nothing else is of any real importance. Note that a lot of the time that people are complaining about sincerity or effort or what have you, there are actual problems with the question in the form of scope, topicality, or the fact that it is a duplicate. | |
May 27, 2018 at 16:39 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @TinyGiant Agreed, and I'm happy to answer questions that haven't exhibited such evidence if I feel the asker is sincere. OTOH, if it looks like a blatant homework dump, or other form of "gimmetehcodez" then I think it's appropriate for the OP to show some effort before people start writing code for them. | |
May 27, 2018 at 16:33 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PM2Ring that's a nice thought but actually there is no requirement to show that you've tried to solve the problem. The requirement is that the question is on-topic, reasonably scoped, and not a duplicate; everything else is irrelevant noise. | |
May 26, 2018 at 10:05 | comment | added | user3956566 | @PM2Ring Look I've made way more than my fair share of mistakes.. none of us are perfect and it's normal to feel impatient at times, as there's a lot of unanswerable questions on the site and it's frustrating. I'm hoping as a community we can learn to be supportive, and inclusive, without feeling that we're under fire. | |
May 26, 2018 at 10:03 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @YvetteColomb I most certainly agree! As I just said here positive comments are better all 'round than negative ones. I don't claim to be a saint in this respect, but FWIW it's not uncommon that I receive a thankyou comment from the OP when I dupe-hammer their question and leave a suggestion to help them use the info at the dupe target, so I figure I must be doing something right. ;) | |
May 26, 2018 at 9:57 | comment | added | user3956566 | @PM2Ring there's still no need to be rude. If there's two ways to say the same thing, one is rude, one is kind, always pick kind. It doesn't mean the message has changed, just the attitude behind it. | |
May 26, 2018 at 9:51 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | A question needs to show some evidence that the OP has tried to solve their problem. Without such evidence it's natural to assume that the OP hasn't made an effort, especially if the question looks like a homework assignment. | |
May 26, 2018 at 9:12 | comment | added | rene | This can use some examples because I don't think I'm rude but based on feedback I get now and then I conclude I am. Please teach me how delicate I need to be and how I need to rephrase so I get an interesting question to answer and you don't feel harassed. | |
May 26, 2018 at 9:08 | history | answered | Ralphatron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |