Timeline for Introducing Text Ads! AKA Sponsoring That Fine Manual!
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May 5, 2019 at 18:21 | history | edited | wizzwizz4 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 25, 2018 at 0:14 | comment | added | Basic | @wizzwizz4 You parsed my meaning correctly. I was highlighting that either way, it's the wrong option. | |
May 24, 2018 at 19:04 | comment | added | wizzwizz4 | @Basic Whether it is or isn't useful, the implementation is flawed. (I'm not sure whether your comment is supporting my POV or is against it, but it certainly works for supporting.) | |
May 24, 2018 at 11:35 | comment | added | Basic | You can't spin it as being a positive in-and-of itself, then say it will be added/removed as people pay. Either you're adding something high value (in which case its removal is a loss to the community) or you're not (in which case its inclusion is a loss to the community). | |
May 24, 2018 at 4:29 | comment | added | duplode | ( @jpmc26 I wrote the comment just above before reading the edit to yours. It does seem we are describing the same things, but from different perspectives.) | |
May 24, 2018 at 4:27 | comment | added | duplode | @jpmc26 "It's the fact that the information is no longer reachable that is the problem." -- I'd say it is not just that. A broken link-only answer makes the question look like it has been answered (answer count > 0, possibly an acceptance check mark, no longer showing up in the unanswered feed, etc.) when that is no longer the case, and rectifying that introduces a maintenance burden. This side of the problem does not show up here. I feel that is another reason to think of those ads as comments -- possibly a nice bonus, if they exist. | |
May 24, 2018 at 4:08 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @duplode The link disappearing after it's broken still means the information is not available from the question anymore. A link breaking isn't a problem by itself. The problem is that the information is no longer reachable. That's why a useful link only answer is best handled by editing it to include the information; this ensures that the information will remain available as long as the question is. An ad disappearing has the same problem, except its information can't be edited in to preserve it and it's not going into the review queue and it can't be flagged. Same problem, harder to solve. | |
May 24, 2018 at 4:04 | comment | added | duplode | @jpmc26 [2/2] It is also worth noting another difference from link-only answers. One big problem with link-only answers is the link might break. This is not much of an issue in this case, as presumably no one is going to keep around an ad pointing at a 404. | |
May 24, 2018 at 4:03 | comment | added | duplode | @jpmc26 [1/2] Other differentiating factors aside, there is also the matter of how precise the matching of ads to questions will be. I hazard that more often than not the targeting, accurate as it may be, won't be precise enough to address the question as specifically and concretely as an actual answer would. A perhaps better comparison would be with a "suggested reading" comment -- possibly helpful, possibly tangential (and possibly both helpful and tangential), and not necessarily the last stop (or next-to-last, if you will) in the search for a solution. | |
May 24, 2018 at 1:53 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @duplode If the ad content is intended to provide information that contains an answer to the question ("Useful to the visitor because it puts the information they were probably looking for in a very prominent place"), then how is it not equivalent to a link-only answer? Sure, the fact it's temporary and not seen by some users is are differentiating factors, but they actually makes it less useful than a link only answer. That's the point of this answer: these ads are a worse version of link-only answers. | |
May 24, 2018 at 1:48 | comment | added | jpmc26 | This is an insightful viewpoint. One place I can think of that these ads might actually be useful is as a suggestion when writing a question, although matching a good SO question would still be much better. | |
May 23, 2018 at 20:57 | comment | added | BSMP | If the resource is useful... - Put it in an actual answer that isn't a link only post so it's useful and visible to everyone who visits the page all the time and not just sometimes and only to some users. | |
May 23, 2018 at 15:56 | history | edited | wizzwizz4 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 23, 2018 at 13:57 | comment | added | Servy | @Shaido Yes, the answer acknowledges that they almost certainly won't keep them. The whole point is that that's a problem, as it's causing problems for the site for the purpose of making money, rather than finding way of monetizing that aren't causing problems for the site. Refusing to show information that you know would be helpful to someone just because the owner of that information isn't paying you is rather against the whole mission of the site. | |
May 23, 2018 at 13:55 | comment | added | Shaido | @Servy Since from what I understand, the purpose of these ads is to earn money. Keeping them if they stopped being paid for would defeat this purpose, which is why I believe these won't be permanent. As for how useful they would be to the users - hopefully there will be some statistics presented after it's been rolled out. | |
May 23, 2018 at 13:30 | comment | added | Servy | @Shaido The point is that if the feature is actually being helpful and directing users to the answer to their question then why would you want to take that away just because they stopped being paid for? You'd be removing a useful feature that would have been helpful to your users. The only reason to want to take it away is because it's not actually being helpful. | |
May 23, 2018 at 7:13 | comment | added | Shaido | @wizzwizz4 I don't see what that has to do with ads being permanent or not. However, it should be available in the side bar for all users (from the post: If you have the reduced advertising privilege, you're most likely to encounter these in the side bar). But I don't think the usefulness of ads can at all be compared with a good answer. | |
May 23, 2018 at 7:08 | comment | added | wizzwizz4 | @Shaido It's contrary to the point of SO if useful information is only available to some people. | |
May 23, 2018 at 7:06 | comment | added | Shaido | @wizzwizz4 Why not? As long as the ad is in place there is a chance it can help someone which could lead to that person not asking a question. Whether the ad is permanent or not shouldn't affect this, right? Or is there some other way these ads could stop questions from being asked that I'm not seeing? As I understand it, this is basically ads that are trying to be more relevant to the problem the person is trying to solve. | |
May 23, 2018 at 6:47 | comment | added | wizzwizz4 | @Shaido They can't stop questions from being asked of they're only temporary. | |
May 23, 2018 at 1:38 | comment | added | Shaido | I would assume the ads would disappear if no longer payed for since they are ads. Why would you assume they will stay permanently? | |
May 23, 2018 at 1:07 | comment | added | duplode | "These are effectively sponsored (LQ) answers" -- It doesn't look like that to me. From what I gather out of this thread, they won't look like a post, won't be subject to voting as we know it, the content won't actually be here, and we don't even know whether the relation between Q&As and ads will be a function rather than many-to-many. | |
May 22, 2018 at 20:58 | history | answered | wizzwizz4 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |