Timeline for So this is what "feeling unwelcomed" actually looks like
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May 14, 2018 at 4:13 | comment | added | user202729 | The "pattern" in the answers look good enough for "predicting the future" in some cases... | |
May 14, 2018 at 0:21 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @feelingunwelcome: "That is my opinion, I have a right to voice it." Yes, it's your right. That doesn't change the fact that you're tilting at windmills. Focus on the actual policies that are actually on the actual site, not what might come to be due to some random blog. | |
May 14, 2018 at 0:17 | comment | added | user177800 | @NicolBolas - site policies are being proposed and using that blog post as a justification, I disagree with it. That is my opinion, I have a right to voice it. At no point am I proposing to try and control what other people do, that is not even part of my post or an argument against it. That is just changing the topic. What part of just downvote, close vote as needed, and move on is not 100% part of the problem. I have to agree with the idea that that policy approach can be see as unwelcoming to new community members. Not a personal attack but in general it is counter productive. | |
May 14, 2018 at 0:03 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @feelingunwelcome: What part of "You cannot control what other people do" was unclear to you? You cannot stop people from feeling unwelcome by the basic tools of the site. So just downvote, close vote as needed, and move on. Why do you care so much about some random blog post? What matters are the actual site policies. Until that person is actually making site policies, you should treat nonsense as nonsense. | |
May 13, 2018 at 23:57 | comment | added | user177800 | @Makoto - In all sincerity; If comments are taken as offense that are objectively not offensive, and no comments are take as offensive, then what is the solution? Rate limiting is not a solution because it just takes longer to get offended or causes offense faster because someone is not responding to you quickly enough, only thing I can see that is practical is either just remove the ability to comment or some extremely low threshold for voting to remove the comments completely. | |
May 13, 2018 at 23:51 | comment | added | user177800 | @brasofilo - hindsight is 20/20, no good deed goes unpunished, etc. I can not read someones mind or see the future so how am I supposed to know it will degenerate into @feelingunwelcome GFY? | |
May 13, 2018 at 23:42 | comment | added | brasofilo | I don't understand the need to engage in a communication attempt with such poster. Seems futile :( | |
May 13, 2018 at 23:05 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @feelingunwelcome: "what I do not abide by is the attitude of entitlement and hubris displayed on Stack Overflow, not before Jay's blog post and especially not afterwards." Do you genuinely believe that *anything you said will change them? When you see unreasonable people being unreasonable, disengage and move on. | |
May 13, 2018 at 23:03 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @feelingunwelcome: You cannot control what other people do; you can only choose what you will do. Two wrongs don't make a right; it is no more right for you to post named criticism than it was for the other person. "it is used as I illustrated as proof/examples of misogyny and racism" No, it's not. It was used as an example of being unwelcoming. Nobody suggested it was racist or misogynistic. The question it was posted on was "MCVE for Not Being Very Welcoming". | |
May 13, 2018 at 22:59 | comment | added | Makoto | No wonder I still see comments as the problem...they're being thrown around and bandied about without regard for either side. | |
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May 13, 2018 at 21:32 | comment | added | user177800 | @NicolBolas - they were a jerk to someone else first, I was trying to back that person up. It is the internet, I expect jerks, what I do not abide by is the attitude of entitlement and hubris displayed on Stack Overflow, not before Jay's blog post and especially not afterwards. | |
May 13, 2018 at 21:28 | comment | added | user177800 | @NicolBolas - so why not the same response to the person that complains about this on an unredacted blog claiming This was just posted by a guy with 100K+ rep on a beginner StackOverflow question. EQ note: Even this kind of subtly condescending comment can be very discouraging. The words "exactly" and especially "clearly" are warning signs in this context., and it is used as I illustrated as proof/examples of misogyny and racism, someone has a double standard? | |
May 13, 2018 at 21:26 | comment | added | user177800 | @MartinJames - a blog and twitter feed is in the works ... | |
May 13, 2018 at 21:24 | comment | added | user177800 | @HovercraftFullOfEels - Thanks for asking this, I am going to add a response to this in the main question, until then; ignoring these users is not the solution anymore than ignoring the vocal minority of users that complain and take personal offense at someone clicking on an arrow or innocently asking for some code. And the later users got a public shaming blog post dressing down the volunteer community from Jay, what do these users get, ignored at best? I do not think that is reciprocal. | |
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May 13, 2018 at 20:57 | comment | added | Hovercraft Full Of Eels | I was an active participant in this exchange, at least at the end, but regardless, I'm not sure how to react to your meta post, other than being confused as to the point you're trying to make. Yes this happens and much too often, but if the OP behaves like this multiple times, the site will block him from asking, so it all usually works out for the best in the end. As for Jay Hanlon and his blog, meh. It has no bearing on the actual quality and utility of this site. | |
May 13, 2018 at 20:56 | comment | added | Martin James | @NicolBolas 'this particular behavior is hardly special.' well, it's special in that it won't get any airtime on tutter, and there won't be a blog about it. | |
May 13, 2018 at 20:50 | answer | added | Martin James | timeline score: 17 | |
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May 13, 2018 at 20:07 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @feelingunwelcome: I'm not sure how to read "this person was a jerk to me" as anything other than "calling them out". Whatever intent you may have had behind it is irrelevant; you're clearly calling them out on their behavior. And to be honest, this particular behavior is hardly special. It happens; you deal with it and move on. | |
May 13, 2018 at 20:04 | history | edited | Nicol Bolas | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 13, 2018 at 18:51 | comment | added | user177800 | @BDL - it would be extremely easy to just look at my profile and my activity to see what I had voted to close to find the post just as easily as well. So calls for redaction and not good style on calling out people my part are kind of pointless and come across as an attempt at hand wavy passive-agressive public shaming in their own way, I am not explicitly calling them out, I am just posting the facts as they happened. | |
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May 13, 2018 at 18:40 | comment | added | user177800 | When unredacted blog posts are used as examples of proof unwelcoming I feel no moral or ethical obligation to go to the effort, especially when it is easily searchable like I already explained, and already spent effort trying to politely and graciously help someone only to be told GFY. Actions have consequences. | |
May 13, 2018 at 18:32 | comment | added | user177800 | @BDL - in practice there is no partial redaction on the internet, if I redacted a name the exact text is easily searchable on Google. Paraphrasing would not be facts and there would an equal or greater chorus of links or it did not happen. | |
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May 13, 2018 at 18:23 | comment | added | BDL | If you need to show an example, then at least remove the names. It's really not good style to call out people in such a way. | |
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