Timeline for Does my guidance to a new member strike the tone SO is trying to achieve?
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May 15, 2018 at 20:44 | comment | added | Evk | I feel quite a lot of meta questions last time are better suited for interpersonal.stackexchange.com. | |
May 15, 2018 at 20:30 | comment | added | Henk Holterman | The question is a little sloppy, esp the Select() part. But the provided code fragments still add up to an mcve. Asking for compiling code doesn't always make sense, this is an "how to" question, not a "fix it" one. | |
May 15, 2018 at 18:11 | comment | added | Pekka | Ah, cool. you used indeed to be a plural form, too - just a very very long time ago. The German equivalent is "euch" (plural of "you"). TIL! en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you | |
May 15, 2018 at 18:07 | comment | added | Pekka | @Ajean yeah, I know! The joke should really have been the other way round. Funny how that evolved, apparently somehow differently than what other European languages ended up using as the formal form; e.g. the third person (in Spanish; antiquated in German) and the plural (current formal form in German). While thou is obviously a direct sibling to German Du, I know of no German equivalent to you even though both are Germanic languages. | |
May 15, 2018 at 16:33 | comment | added | Marco13 | @picciano Now I'm not sure whether you or that comment made me laugh. Doesn't matter. Had a laugh. | |
May 15, 2018 at 15:20 | answer | added | toonarmycaptain | timeline score: -6 | |
May 15, 2018 at 15:06 | comment | added | Ajean | @Pekka웃 Tangent, and I know it's kind of a joke, but actually 'thou' and all its counterparts was the familiar, informal version of the word, rather than the other way around. 'You' is the formal one. | |
May 15, 2018 at 14:58 | comment | added | picciano | I've tried to be nicer and not use "you", but "That code is an idiot" just doesn't make sense. | |
May 15, 2018 at 14:38 | answer | added | markaaronky | timeline score: 3 | |
May 15, 2018 at 13:42 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | Just don't write a comment. The people you're writing it to should have read the FAQ and won't pay extra attention now. Cast a close vote then the close reason in the UI will show the required information. What we have now is an incredible amount of comment noise where half the questions posted on the site have almost the entire contents of the FAQ reproduced in comments. This level of spoonfeeding will not help anyone in any meaningful way. | |
May 15, 2018 at 8:59 | comment | added | baao | It's like sex with someone for the first time. Do what you want until someone complains - then excuse and change afterwards. | |
May 15, 2018 at 8:21 | comment | added | Holger | @vol7ron When the compiler error is your actual issue, a code example reproducing the error is a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example. In contrast, when the question is not about compiler errors at all, the code should compile. This is not a hard requirement. But obviously, code requiring unrelated fixes makes it harder to solve the issue. | |
May 15, 2018 at 8:20 | comment | added | user5940189 | @Pekka웃 thou jests? | |
May 14, 2018 at 23:36 | comment | added | Steve Bennett | "Indeed. Use thou for maximum respect." I know you're joking, but "thou" was actually the informal word, and "you" was the more formal, respectful word. (Christians were encouraged to use thee/thou/thy for prayer not because it was respectful, but because it was intimate.) | |
May 14, 2018 at 22:42 | history | edited | canon | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 14, 2018 at 12:58 | answer | added | Mark Amery | timeline score: 17 | |
May 14, 2018 at 12:46 | comment | added | Lundin | No comment is even necessary given that you have close-vote privileges. Once the post is closed, a similar comment is generated by the site, pointing at the MCVE page. | |
May 13, 2018 at 20:41 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @vol7ronA minimal, complete, verifiable example is pretty much a requirement. If you're posting code that doesn't compile, and as such, can't reproduce the issues, you're only complicating things. | |
May 13, 2018 at 18:54 | comment | added | vol7ron | Back to the question... I didn’t realize that code compiling was a condition of posting a question. In fact, what led me to Stack Overflow initially (under another account), was the fact that code didn’t compile or operate correctly. | |
May 13, 2018 at 17:23 | comment | added | Pekka |
I've been told You is wrong. Indeed. Use thou for maximum respect.
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May 13, 2018 at 16:59 | comment | added | Shog9 | Passive voice can be even worse than "you statements". I like to focus on me, the narcissistic author of the comment: "I'll have an easier time understanding the question if I can compile and run the code." | |
May 13, 2018 at 15:57 | comment | added | halfer | I think the text is pretty good. It carries the necessary message, without being confrontational. Minor note: Stack Overflow is two words. | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:30 | comment | added | Shaun Luttin | Good points. I recall from The Assertiveness Workbook that criticism via "you statements" tends to be more difficult to receive. An alternative is: "Welcome to StackOverflow. Questions tend to receive a better response if the code compiles..." | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:25 | comment | added | duplode | @ChiefTwoPencils [2/2] On a more general note, I do think "dynamic determination" is often reasonable. Except for extreme cases, hard rules aren't always necessary for this sort of communication issue. | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:23 | comment | added | duplode | @ChiefTwoPencils [1/2] I intentionally picked a very obvious example, but it can also make sense for "Your code is wrong". Note, though, that the example in this Meta question is not of this kind ("You will receive better responses if [...]"). | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:19 | comment | added | ChiefTwoPencils | "But, when writing, it's a choice that you make." but "you" said! It's actually a choice that I make. Subtle, but different. | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:14 | comment | added | ChiefTwoPencils | Sorry @duplode, I don't read it like that. They were saying, criticize the work meaning instead of "your code" it would be "the code". I don't see that being a decision that's made based on how confrontational the given statement will be but rather a basic approach that doesn't require dynamic determination. | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:10 | comment | added | duplode | @ChiefTwoPencils I'd go with something closer to what Increasingly Idiotic has said. If what you are going to say sounds overtly confrontational (eg. "You are wrong") it may be worth it to avoid "you"; in general, though, "you" is fine (and, under the right circumstances, it can even feel friendlier than an impersonal use of the third person). | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:09 | comment | added | ChiefTwoPencils | @Cerbrus, true; I'm not arguing that as rude and I wasn't trying to address "rudeness". The og comment was about "You" is wrong. I was simply supporting that further not that I'm perfect in doing it all the time. But, when writing, it's a choice that you make. | |
May 12, 2018 at 23:03 | comment | added | Cerbrus | On the other hand, people may be assigning too much value to the way someone is writing something, online. There is nothing wrong with: "The OP needs to fix his syntax errors" or ""Your/his code doesn't compile. That's not "rude" or "inconsiderate", it's just a suggestion to improve the question. That's all. | |
May 12, 2018 at 22:56 | comment | added | ChiefTwoPencils | @Cerbrus, I understand that, truly. But I don't find it to be "over-thinking". I used to pre-identify when speaking unknowingly. Things like unnecessarily stating race or gender when, as usual, has no significance to the point. I made corrections so it's something I notice all the time. I'm not suggesting anything other than to consider it and maybe notice it. | |
May 12, 2018 at 22:47 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @ChiefTwoPencils: That's exactly the kind of over-thinking I'm not a fan of. | |
May 12, 2018 at 22:39 | comment | added | ChiefTwoPencils | "You" is natural as "you"'re speaking to an individual (how else should I say that?). But generalizing is typically best. (her, his, ...) = theirs, (he, she, ... , men, women, ...) = (them, they), your code = the code, and so on. | |
May 12, 2018 at 22:24 | comment | added | Closed as off topic | @rene I don't know the context, but it is likely they meant that one should criticize the work not the author. "You are wrong" vs. "This code is wrong". | |
May 12, 2018 at 21:02 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @rene: "You" is fine. | |
May 12, 2018 at 20:33 | answer | added | Cerbrus | timeline score: 63 | |
May 12, 2018 at 20:05 | comment | added | rene | I've been told You is wrong. Not being a native speaker myself but I've seen suggestions like This question contains code that doesn't compile. To receive better answers to the question it helps if the code compilies and then include those links. | |
May 12, 2018 at 19:59 | history | asked | Shaun Luttin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |