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May 24, 2018 at 12:30 comment added jrh @GBlodgett I like your idea but I have to mention my usual complaint about voting, on low traffic stuff you might never see an upvote, even for quality content, especially on comments. A lot of the times I've been the first one to upvote an (IMO) fantastic comment. I think SO shouldn't ever punish users for not getting any votes, but the Roomba kind of screws that up already. I'm just not all that interested in a popularity contest, to be honest. I'd rather spend that energy documenting stuff and helping people.
May 14, 2018 at 14:54 comment added Makoto @SSight3: If what they contribute is garnering them upvotes, I'd hardly call that "useless". Sure, you get people who still want to paint the bikeshed, but then there are others who reward people for painting that bikeshed, so the system is working as designed. More context here
May 14, 2018 at 14:39 comment added SE Does Not Like Dissent "If they don't want to invest the time and energy into getting the 50 reputation required to comment" - Why should a user who is already trying to be helpful be required to do even more? And this begs the question of what exactly can they do to earn this? Post comments is out. It's unlikely they have a question. Waiting until they do means delaying their response to the other user. What if they contribute something useless elsewhere just to get the comment rights? It's akin to a charity shop demanding minimum qualifications for a general purpose volunteer - beggars really can't be choosers.
May 14, 2018 at 14:29 comment added SE Does Not Like Dissent But you've got a system that intrinsically rewards behaviour contrary to intention. It's a lower cost (rep-wise) to write a more important post ('answer') as a question, than a question as a comment. Users flow towards path of least resistance.
May 12, 2018 at 13:43 comment added Makoto @GBlodgett: No, that wouldn't make sense either. Honestly, this is getting far more discussion and deliberation than it needs.
May 12, 2018 at 11:41 comment added GBlodgett @Makoto We could also try a sort of compromise. Keep the 50 rep limit, but allow each new user ,say, five comments. If they receive upvotes on their comments (Indicating that they are of value) then they be allotted more comments. If they don't get upvoted their comments will run out and they will have to earn the 50 rep to comment again. Do you think that's a viable option?
May 12, 2018 at 7:56 comment added Passer By @PeterMortensen Being morally disgusting aside, how would that help at all?
May 12, 2018 at 4:40 comment added Peter Mortensen Well, we could allow them to post a comment, but such that it would only be visible to them and nobody else (a sort of hell banning). Then none of this drama would happen (there would probably be some meta posts, though).
May 11, 2018 at 20:48 comment added hek2mgl I mean everybody, not anybody.. :)
May 11, 2018 at 20:39 comment added hek2mgl While I see the challenge with it, I'd also say that anybody should be allowed to comment on SO. Probably comments of such lowest-rep users should be easier to delete for the community, without moderator intervention.
May 11, 2018 at 20:20 comment added jrh @user234461 IIRC, the 50 rep limit was put in place because there's no good review queue / etc. for comments like there is for answers. I find it very unfortunate that there's no review system because the current setup assumes that new users will be able to find non-duplicate questions that are popular enough to get upvotes, that they can answer without asking the OP for clarification that haven't already been answered by a FGITW (from somebody who's been in this position, I'd guess that these days there's maybe a .01% of running into a question like that on a given day).
May 11, 2018 at 17:22 comment added user234461 @Makoto Such a system wouldn't stop trolling, but as we have just seen, trolling and rudeness are not restricted to comments (or to low-rep users for that matter!) I was thinking of the kind of comment that's usually deployed to argue for the 50 rep limit - "+1", "thanks" etc - but besides, the ML suggestion was really tangential to my main point. I knew you'd jump on it though. :-)
May 11, 2018 at 17:18 comment added Makoto @user234461: There isn't a system in the world that can be designed and implemented to prevent trolling or ragequitting. That's all this was in this case. It's not like the OP was particularly rude in their assertion that answers aren't meant for comments, and it's not like we should really expend the energy on trying to "help" everyone who doesn't want to take heed of our policies and respect them. We have the barrier in place for a reason. (It's also not that hard to earn 50 rep.)
May 11, 2018 at 17:12 comment added user234461 This is a fine analysis on an individual basis and I don't disagree with it, but perhaps it would be worth considering whether the system itself could be changed to help avoid this situation? Asking for clarification is a Good Thing that leads to good answers and good triage. Perhaps allowing new users to comment, but with an increased character limit, might help? Or even trialling a machine learning approach to filtering useless comments? It's easy to forget as an established user just how restrictive SO feels when you first start, it's extremely frustrating.
May 11, 2018 at 16:20 vote accept GBlodgett
May 11, 2018 at 16:14 history edited Pekka CC BY-SA 4.0
Grammar nitpick "Free rein" comes from the world of horsekeeping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rein
May 11, 2018 at 16:10 history answered Makoto CC BY-SA 4.0