Timeline for How to handle a new user who threatens to delete their account because of posting restrictions (e.g. 50 rep commenting limit)?
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Jun 11, 2018 at 11:22 | comment | added | Drag and Drop | @GBlodgett, and with this in one day comment will be spammer upvoting them self. It's already hard to handle it in comment on low tag. Imagine going throught all comment. 50 Rep is not hard. Anyone with an understanding of So can try to create a new account and over comes it in 2 hours. In fact any one with enought English skill can reach 2k just with "minor" edits. | |
Jun 9, 2018 at 20:07 | answer | added | Connor | timeline score: -2 | |
Jun 9, 2018 at 8:05 | answer | added | Raedwald | timeline score: 5 | |
May 14, 2018 at 15:30 | answer | added | mcalex | timeline score: -2 | |
May 14, 2018 at 14:55 | comment | added | BugFinder | SO does remind me of when I first got a bank account, I got a payin book only, no card, no cheque book.. when asked "We need to see how you handle your money" err as I cant get any out of it, you aint gonna see much now are you.. SO is kinda the same to newbs, you cant post because you havent proved you can post responsibly | |
May 14, 2018 at 14:34 | answer | added | li x | timeline score: 8 | |
May 14, 2018 at 12:23 | comment | added | halfer | I advocate against anyone, on either side, taking strong views that do not appear to take the other side's view into account. People who are Be Nicers need to show how more welcoming approaches are not going to cause a drop in quality. Folks who are Blunt Speakers or Quality Advocates could perhaps show they they are in favour of being nice too. If you feel strongly about this, perhaps you could write an answer post (here or on another Meta question) that tries to balance these competing themes? | |
May 14, 2018 at 12:20 | comment | added | halfer |
@barbecue: heh, I have seen several times that folks on each side of the Be Nice debate have attempted to paint their own views as "rational" and "undisputable" etc. and, by implication, the views of the other party as stupid, beyond the pale, extreme, unpopular, etc etc. I don't think this is a good method of finding the solution - it feels like the kind of divisive language that we need to try to move away from. (It's @halfer if you want to ping me - tab autocomplete is available).
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May 14, 2018 at 6:00 | comment | added | Jeremy Thompson | I'll help out newbies with question edits, 99% the time its including Images instead of image links. If people don't read the rules and post comments as answers, I just give them a -1 and this link: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214173/… - people learn with minus votes. This is also handy: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252220/… | |
May 12, 2018 at 15:42 | comment | added | barbecue | @hafler point missed. it IS unwelcoming and hostile to a new user when their very first attempts to participate are immediately met with strongly negative reactions. And yes, being told you aren't allowed to do that or you're doing it wrong as THE VERY FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS is a negative reaction. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is subject to opinion and discussion. That it is a true thing is beyond dispute by any rational person. | |
May 12, 2018 at 13:40 | comment | added | halfer | @GBlodgett: indeed, yes. I wonder if a new post to group these together might be of value? They will be lost in the noise otherwise. | |
May 12, 2018 at 11:36 | comment | added | GBlodgett | @halfer We could also try a sort of compromise. Keep the 50 rep limit, but allow each new user ,say, five comments. If they receive upvotes on their comments (Indicating that they are of value) then they be allotted more comments. If they don't get upvoted their comments will run out and they will have to earn the 50 rep to comment again. Do you think that's a viable option? | |
May 12, 2018 at 8:57 | comment | added | halfer | Under Makoto's answer, someone has given an excellent suggestion: get rid of the 50 rep limit and use machine learning to combat low-quality comments. Now, I don't know if that would work, but it sounds worthy of SO research to me, and shows that there may be a way in which the site can be welcoming and maintain quality standards. There are sure to be other practical ideas in the same vein. | |
May 12, 2018 at 8:55 | comment | added | halfer | @barbecue: it's not "asinine" to think they are unrelated, no. The "be nice" discussions will come up periodically, and we should let them. I don't think each side of the debate ought to police what views are reasonable, or spend time lobbing rocks at the other side. [cont.] | |
May 12, 2018 at 8:52 | history | edited | halfer | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 12, 2018 at 4:48 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Related: Does Stack Exchange really want to conflate newbies with women/people of color? | |
May 12, 2018 at 3:33 | comment | added | barbecue | There is no solution to this problem. It's impossible to both be friendly and welcoming to new users and also prevent them from participating. Stackexchange needs to stop being schizophrenic and decide whether it wants to be welcoming to newbies and allow low quality, or hostile to newbies in pursuit of quality. The two goals are absolutely mutually exclusive and it's asinine to think they aren't. | |
May 12, 2018 at 0:44 | history | edited | GBlodgett | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 11, 2018 at 22:09 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @EJoshuaS: No, there isn't. | |
May 11, 2018 at 21:16 | comment | added | rogerdpack | Yet another way the site isn't "friendly" to beginners... | |
May 11, 2018 at 20:58 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @MartijnPieters I assume that there's not really a way for us to know that without having moderator superpowers, though, is there? | |
May 11, 2018 at 20:42 | answer | added | Larry Lustig | timeline score: 13 | |
May 11, 2018 at 17:43 | comment | added | Dewi Morgan | I really like that this question frames the problem as "how can we improve the experience for users?" rather than "how can we make users do the Right Thing?". | |
May 11, 2018 at 16:57 | comment | added | jpp | Note the fact this user may be trolling wouldn't change what I'd do. It's like a negative feedback loop. Any response, however useful, paradoxically, seems to feed them. | |
May 11, 2018 at 16:43 | history | edited | rene | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 11, 2018 at 16:20 | vote | accept | GBlodgett | ||
May 11, 2018 at 16:18 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | Don't worry. That's not their first or only account. I may have to clean some of those up now. | |
May 11, 2018 at 16:14 | comment | added | jpp | I feel sad when this happens. It's not just a few new users who are only looking to take, but I see it often from people looking to help. My action would have been to flag as NAA and, if the comment is helpful, post it as a comment myself. And no more. It may take 10 seconds extra, but I'm happy to donate this time in the hope it alleviates some pain. | |
May 11, 2018 at 16:10 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 66 | |
May 11, 2018 at 16:09 | comment | added | Pekka | I tried to formulate a very nicely and respectfully worded explanation of why the threshold exists even though it is a roadblock to perfectly legitimate contributions in this FAQ but it's unlikely to change the mind of a user already bummed out by this | |
May 11, 2018 at 16:07 | comment | added | Pekka |
Is there any way this could have been handled better so that the user didn't leave feeling this way? Short of removing the 50-point comment threshold - probably not really, no.
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May 11, 2018 at 16:05 | history | asked | GBlodgett | CC BY-SA 4.0 |