Timeline for How to use gold dupehammer without abuse
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May 10, 2018 at 1:59 | comment | added | tudor -Reinstate Monica- | SO Lore #35: When all you have is a dupehammer, everything looks like your own question. :-p | |
May 9, 2018 at 9:01 | answer | added | Lundin | timeline score: 8 | |
May 8, 2018 at 22:49 | comment | added | Jonathan Leffler | Suppose you edit the question to (temporarily) remove the tags for which you have the dupehammer. Then vote to close the question. Then reinstate the removed tags. Since the tags are not in effect when you vote, you can't close on your own. It's not ideal, but it would mean you VTC as a normal user, not as a wielder of Mjölnir. | |
May 8, 2018 at 8:20 | vote | accept | jpp | ||
May 7, 2018 at 18:14 | answer | added | ChrisFMod | timeline score: 25 | |
May 7, 2018 at 16:40 | comment | added | jpp | @PM2Ring, Thanks for the advice. Yes, I'm not perfect. And maybe I do need to slow down :). As some may notice from my style, on main SO I comment less, post more - when I think I can add value. It's amazing how much time this saves! But I'm still new and like to read constructive criticism like Dukeling's answer. | |
May 7, 2018 at 16:19 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | (cont) If you see important old questions that could use updating, it's probably a Good Idea to mention them in the Python chatroom, where we can work on them collaboratively. On a related note, yes, you need to be quick on SO to win the points and the green checkmark. But that speed doesn't always lead to the best code, and the subconscious can often come up with better solutions, given time. So if you write a lightning-fast answer it can be useful to re-visit it a little while later, just in case you notice possible improvements you can make. | |
May 7, 2018 at 16:14 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | You're obviously a talented programer, and very energetic to be able to score almost 30k of rep and the Mjölnir in 3 months! In my experience, you're courteous and quick to respond to constructive criticism. But IMHO your work would be of even higher quality, and less likely to attract criticism, if you just slow down a little. :) It's good that you're looking at old questions, especially ones that may need updating for Python 3, but there's no rush, they aren't going anywhere. ;) And with those old questions it's often a Good Idea to get feedback from others on how best to handle them. | |
May 7, 2018 at 15:55 | comment | added | jpp | @Don'tPanic, Ah, so this often happens. I mark as accepted the one I use most often. I gave a bounty to the one I use less often but highly value because it is hugely more efficient and I would never have figured myself. | |
May 7, 2018 at 15:44 | comment | added | Don't Panic | Just curious, why is the answer you've cited and linked to as an example of excellent not your accepted answer? | |
May 7, 2018 at 14:43 | comment | added | jpp | @user2285236, Thank you. I understand your rationale and it makes perfect sense [for these questions]. It will be interesting to see what the official line is on this.. When someone is accused of abusing a privilege, it's usually clear-cut, but here there appears to be a grey area where a comment by a mod may have been better than sending an official message "about your account." | |
May 7, 2018 at 14:35 | comment | added | user2285236 | My opinion for the first question is that there is no good reason to close it as a duplicate. It doesn't ask for efficiency and str.contains with a joined pattern is good enough most of the time (I use it regularly). I am sure most of the users will come for that exact answer and not for an extra library solution. | |
May 7, 2018 at 14:32 | comment | added | user2285236 | Both the second and the third questions lacked good answers so I took the liberty of closing them as duplicates (the second one asks for an efficient solution so I closed it as a duplicate of jpp's, and for the third one I linked both questions). | |
May 7, 2018 at 14:00 | answer | added | Bernhard Barker | timeline score: 54 | |
May 7, 2018 at 13:03 | comment | added | gnat | @Stargateur wrt that old answer with score 60 - given that answer in a newer question was written by the same user, chances are high that newer answer is better (matured knowledge, more experience). As for the difference in the score (newer answer has it 4x smaller) this could be a simple byproduct of older question having 40x more views than newer one, ie not very convincing as a measure of quality | |
May 7, 2018 at 13:01 | comment | added | duplode | @Stargateur Even experts don't know everything. I won't link to profiles here, to avoid making this about individuals, but there are plenty of gold badge holders who, from time to time, ask (non-self-answered) questions in tags they have gold badges in. If anything, an expert likely is especially capable of determining whether their question has been satisfactorily answered. (P.S.: On "a sign of weakness": Sorry if that feels harsh. I believe you when you say you haven't meant that, but I do feel your comment reads uncomfortably close to that kind of attitude.) | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:43 | answer | added | decezeMod | timeline score: 108 | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:35 | answer | added | Stargateur | timeline score: -36 | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:17 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @Suraj Which is interestingly closed as a dupe of meta.stackexchange.com/q/231697/476, which undeniably was an abuse of Mjölnir. This here however is, if anything, much much subtler… | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:15 | history | edited | user3956566 |
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May 7, 2018 at 12:14 | comment | added | Suraj Rao | This is the missing link meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309929/… | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:11 | comment | added | Stargateur | @duplode When you ask a question (that you didn't answer yourself), we can reasonably think you are not qualified to answer it (if not you will probably not ask it...) since the question is not so old (so we can suppose jpp is still not fully qualified about this subject), I just believe jpp is maybe not the best candidate to judge about the quality of the answer. If you think it's elitism, I don't agree, this is just logical. I don't want offence anyone if this is what you think. "acting like having to ask questions is a sign of weakness" wow you extrapolate completely what I said | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:10 | comment | added | duplode | @deceze Anti-elitism in the sense of challenging a gold badge holder, yes -- but elitism in the sense of acting like having to ask questions is a sign of weakness. | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:09 | comment | added | Chris_Rands | I think it's true that some users preferentially close (or vote to close) for duplicate questions they have asked or answered even if there are better fitting duplicates, but this may be because they are more familar wih these questions rather than any attempt to gain reputation | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:07 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | As with @deceze, I'm puzzled by the message. We're trying to get a discussion going but I'm still waiting for the mod who sent you that message to come back online. | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:07 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @duplode Seems more like anti-elitism. | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:05 | comment | added | duplode | @Stargateur Sorry, but this is completely off the mark. Asking a question now means you are not "qualified about the subject"? I can't describe the attitude this seems to convey as anything but groundless elitism. | |
May 7, 2018 at 12:00 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @Stargateur That could be a fair argument to be had. Any goldbadger can show bad judgement. Citing "it's your own question" as an argument is invalid IMO. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:57 | comment | added | Stargateur | @deceze Actually, I will trust Alex Riley who answer the two related questions and not the one who ask the question. If jpp ask the question and there is not a lot of time since, there is no reason to think jpp is qualified about this particular subject. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:53 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @Stargateur Which is kind of the prerogative of a Mjölnir-wielder. We trust goldbadgers to be able to make a decision on what is best. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:49 | comment | added | Stargateur | @jpp but the older question get an answer that score 60, the answer to your question score a 17. To me you are completely force your opinion about what is the best answer ! | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:47 | comment | added | jpp | @Stargateur, My opinion is a Q&A consists of Q.. and A. An excellent question with no good answers is a poor duplicate target, in my opinion. Better to close as a duplicate of a slightly worse question with excellent answers. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:46 | comment | added | Stargateur | @jpp This is very opinion primary... This is the same user who answer you and answer the older question... don't you think you are abuse of your opinion to close to you instead of the older question just because you think the answer to your question is better. That a fatal flow for me. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:45 | comment | added | Pekka | Is this standing moderator policy? If it is, it needs to be changed. Dupe-closing with a question of your own as the target - hammer or not - should not be treated as inherently problematic. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:43 | comment | added | jpp | @Stargateur, Because it doesn't include the much better answer given (unfortunately?) in my question. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:43 | comment | added | deceze Mod | That is… odd. I am routinely doing this with several reference questions I have created to address recurring questions. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:42 | comment | added | Braiam | That's not the point. The point it that if you would vote to close without the hammer, you should vote to close with it. Forget about the hammer, think instead if it makes the internet a better place. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:42 | comment | added | Stargateur | Why don't you close to the older question ? | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:41 | comment | added | jpp | @Braiam, There are some things you can't replicate once you have dupehammer. You can't vote to close as a duplicate via a standard vote. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:40 | comment | added | Braiam | Do what you would do without the hammer. That is. | |
May 7, 2018 at 11:35 | history | asked | jpp | CC BY-SA 4.0 |