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I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributescontribute to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it, there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

Following the same reasoning I support removal of "welcoming" fluff. Greetings, expressions of appreciation, personal notes etc may look harmless for a random passer by, but for folks like me who frequently seek for help over here these only make site harder to use by obscuring answers we're looking for. And since my searches often involve studying multiple questions this fluff is quite a big deal to me.

I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it, there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

Following the same reasoning I support removal of "welcoming" fluff. Greetings, expressions of appreciation, personal notes etc may look harmless for a random passer by, but for folks like me who frequently seek for help over here these only make site harder to use by obscuring answers we're looking for. And since my searches often involve studying multiple questions this fluff is quite a big deal to me.

I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contribute to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it, there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

Following the same reasoning I support removal of "welcoming" fluff. Greetings, expressions of appreciation, personal notes etc may look harmless for a random passer by, but for folks like me who frequently seek for help over here these only make site harder to use by obscuring answers we're looking for. And since my searches often involve studying multiple questions this fluff is quite a big deal to me.

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950/should-hi-thanks-taglines-and-salutations-be-removed-from-posts
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I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it, there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

Following the same reasoning I support removal of "welcoming" fluff. Greetings, expressions of appreciation, personal notes etc may look harmless for a random passer by, but for folks like me who frequently seek for help over here these only make site harder to use by obscuring answers we're looking for. And since my searches often involve studying multiple questions this fluff is quite a big deal to me.

I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it, there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

Following the same reasoning I support removal of "welcoming" fluff. Greetings, expressions of appreciation, personal notes etc may look harmless for a random passer by, but for folks like me who frequently seek for help over here these only make site harder to use by obscuring answers we're looking for. And since my searches often involve studying multiple questions this fluff is quite a big deal to me.

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I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such an easya convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts: these do pay me back:As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such an easy target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts: these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

I probably qualify as one of those "demonized" users. Can't tell if I can be reliably labeled as a snarky commenter stalking the newcomers but much of other things I do likely contributes to making it harder to post stuff at Stack Overflow - reviews, votes down and close, flags.

And I feel like the blog post is offending people like me for what we are doing, and this is not the first time they do so (and probably won't be the last time).

That said, I can't see them stop doing that. Because, if you think of it, as soon as they admit that Stack Overflow community is okay, they will face a bunch of uncomfortable questions: what can be done at their side to keep site sufficiently nice, what could be the root cause of the snark, what can help to really improve things etc.

These would be difficult questions and I can understand why they would prefer to stay away from addressing these. So far, other options I've seen that could help were: giving more power to experienced users to handle an inappropriate content and / or improving guidance for new users. Both these options seem to be quite effort consuming and rather difficult to do right.

In comparison, it is so much easier to point finger at the community and tell them to shut up - and if this doesn't happen it is also easy to say that they really tried and blame community for the failure. It's just such an easy way out and we'd rather expect that they will keep doing this.

Even in the (unlikely) case that they admit that this particular blog post was wrong, just wait for a few months and you will probably see something like that happening again. As long as poor content floods the site and as long as quality measures are insufficient to manage it there will always be multiple snarky comments from frustrated site regulars making such a convenient target for the eternal fight for niceness.

I am afraid that the question that quality-concerned users should be asking themselves is, how to prepare to handle such offense in the future and what can be done to minimize the damage it makes.


As a side note, I don't feel that somebody owes me thanks for my moderation efforts because these do pay me back:

I am in it mostly for selfish reasons: I want Stack Overflow to keep helping people like me - those who get their answers here after dumping their question into google search box. SO did it fairly well so far and I wouldn't want to lose that help. I don't want my search results polluted with useless solutions to homework dumps. I don't want it to be flooded with thousand answers to single simple question about NPE / NRE. And I do what I can to keep SO content the way it is helpful to me...

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