Timeline for Recourse for inappropriate Stack Overflow chat conversation
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May 11, 2018 at 11:13 | comment | added | l4mpi | The "see something that makes you uneasy" flagging guideline seems like it could be misinterpreted. There are many things that could make specific people uneasy but should be perfectly fine to talk about. Should a PHP programmer flag comments about PHP being a crappy language? Should a christian be able to flag comments about anything that is not in line with a hardcore interpretation of the bible, e.g. evolution? Should a lactose intolerant person flag people chatting about cheese? I don't think any of these flags would be acceptable, so maybe the message should be reworded. | |
May 5, 2018 at 12:58 | comment | added | Sklivvz | And Tim, we both know perfectly well that it is true. We talked about it many times, I gave you tons of examples. Mods get insulted by trolls on twitter about their SE work? We don't do anything here. Why? And this is a perfect example of someone putting up an incredible shitstorm to be "right" in a stupid, irrelevant, idiotic chat conversation which was not problematic. | |
May 5, 2018 at 12:54 | comment | added | Sklivvz | Not "Oh sorry, you can tell us what we can or can't talk about". It's unacceptable to dictate what people can talk about. It's just pure bigotry and I can't in all my heart support it. That said, we can make an effort not to offend, but it can't be mandatory not to offend or to pamper to unreasonable requests. Obvious trolls get more support from SE than useful contributors, and this is what is making this place unwelcoming. | |
May 5, 2018 at 12:48 | comment | added | Sklivvz | What if the "offended" party is just trolling? Three people at office are sipping a coffee and discussing an article they read. It was about some shitty topic, but hey, it was on HN. Someone random passes by. Their first comment is "are you seriously talking about that? It's offensive, you shouldn't". Well, if this were to happen, I'd answer "who are you, and what do you want from us?" followed by "stop harassing us or we'll go to HR". | |
May 3, 2018 at 13:39 | comment | added | ARr0w | if that is so, you should spend some time in C# chatroom and see how rude some are, i repeat SOME are but with power to new comers and insult around when the question if from obsolete technology such as: webforms or question is too basic even after efforts. Many left chat of SO because of this sole reason, i left this channel for the same reason. :) | |
May 3, 2018 at 0:35 | comment | added | jpmc26 | "It says read this policy and flag anything that clearly can't be reconciled with it." No it doesn't. It says to flag anything that makes you feel uneasy. That's a world of difference, especially in a culture that has gone to the extreme of declaring words that disagree with your views to be a form of violence in a few circles. Anyone can feel uneasy about anything. I could be talking about ice cream and someone gets uneasy because it reminds them of Bill Nye's ice cream sexuality video for gosh sakes. Feelings are a terrible metric by which to evaluate content. | |
May 2, 2018 at 22:10 | comment | added | Patrice | @Robert you are concerned with that about chat.... I think a fair portion of us are worried about that with the overall site :/... | |
May 2, 2018 at 14:53 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | I have grave misgivings that this new "welcoming" push is going to be used as a bludgeon against any sort of perceived slight. I've already seen it happen several times since this all started: "Perhaps you should say 'it would be nice for you to read about this' instead of 'you should already know this.' Didn't you read the blog post?" If these folks manage to wring out every remaining trace of personality from chat, you might as well just shut it down completely. | |
May 2, 2018 at 4:41 | comment | added | Todd Wilcox | (Continuing) As an analogy, imagine putting a new users off topic question on hold and then refusing to explain why to anyone. Saying “we are not talking about this any further” seems a bit disrespectful to the people who haven’t had a chance to talk about it but who are affected by it. | |
May 2, 2018 at 4:41 | comment | added | Todd Wilcox | At the risk of opening a can of worms, culture flows downhill. By that I mean that the CMs can influence the culture of the mods who influence the culture of the high rep users and all of that influences the overall culture. I assert that as preamble to my feedback that while the CMs acted appropriately in the case of the chat issues linked in Machavity’s answer, the way they explained (or didn’t explain) those actions to the community seems like a high level violation of the Be Nice policy. Just as we have to show understanding to new users about the rules, so should CMs. | |
May 1, 2018 at 19:32 | vote | accept | intentionally-left-nil | ||
Apr 30, 2018 at 19:40 | comment | added | Benjamin Gruenbaum | Thank you for responding and thank you for owning it. It means a lot to us that you were reasonable and didn't start accusing the room before becoming familiar with the details. I'd like to reiterate my request from the meta.se post here :) | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 18:18 | comment | added | TylerH | I know you're not looking to put more text in that welcome modal, but I really think it'd be better served by replacing the last sentence about Third Place with a 3rd numbered item saying something along the lines of "Chatrooms are created and managed by users like you. Remember, just because a room is named for one thing doesn't mean people only discuss one thing there!" so that new users are better aware immediately upon joining that chat is not hyper-focused, room-title-topic discussion only. Providing yet another link (SE sites have a big link problem, IMO) is wishful thinking at best. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:16 | history | answered | user50049 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |