Timeline for Can we make it more obvious to new users that downvotes on the main site are not insults and in fact can help them help themselves?
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Apr 30, 2018 at 22:41 | comment | added | jpp | @MartinJames, Lesser of many evils. Don't see any trust or respect right now. This is the nature of the twitter / facebook generation. I mean that in the kindest way: society has conditioned us to see black marks / negative ratings as personal #Nosedive. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 22:37 | comment | added | Martin James | I'm not convinced that lying to users about their rep will generate any kind of trust or respect:( | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:54 | comment | added | AncientSwordRage | @yivi, the point is the ones who don't need extra help. This is one option | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:27 | comment | added | yivi | Frankly, I even find the idea slightly disrespectful for newer users, even knowing you do not mean it that way. Everybody started the same here. Now you have 27k rep, but you learn't the ropes as you went by; same as me with my paltry 2.8k. New users can do that as well, and most of them do. We can use better guidance and better just in time documentation, but that was always true, and will always be true. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:23 | comment | added | yivi | That's not a half-way measure. That's the full measure. You are hiding the score and showing inconsistent information to the user. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:22 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi, A half-way measure is just to stop at -1. They do not need to see -10. And send that message. The principle is the same. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:20 | comment | added | yivi | @Pureferret It's not only about quantity of information, but quality of information. I still think informing users better with suggestions like this is a much, much better idea than hiding scores just for one user; even disregarding all the complications that implementing something like this would entail. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:17 | comment | added | AncientSwordRage | @yivi if too much info is worse, then less is better. You could replace the negative score with some phrase like "Please reviews your post" or just a red "!". That feels like it's enough, without "-125" to demoralise new users. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:16 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi, Because they aren't sad, defensive, frustrated, resentful, stressed, burning with anger, ready to start a fight on Meta, itching to email SO staff? | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:15 | comment | added | yivi | A question may be downvoted because it's unclear, poorly researched, or generally not useful (as per the tooltip). Or because Tim lost his keys. I do not know how hiding the score would drive the users to ask the relevant question. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:15 | comment | added | Kendra | "We want new users to ask themselves: Why is my question unclear?" No, we want new users to ask themselves "What can I do to improve this post?" We want them to ask this regardless of post type, and regardless of author. We want veteran and regular users to ask themselves this, as well. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:11 | history | edited | jpp | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Apr 30, 2018 at 16:10 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi, I see roundabout discussions again and again on Meta. No amount of educating can solve this. But it's my opinion. We want users to ask Why is my question unclear?, not Why am I downvoted? The second question is loaded (whether we like it or not). | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:06 | comment | added | yivi | Personally, I think that we need to inform better, not less. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:03 | history | answered | jpp | CC BY-SA 3.0 |