Timeline for Can we make it more obvious to new users that downvotes on the main site are not insults and in fact can help them help themselves?
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Nov 4, 2018 at 0:49 | comment | added | SierraOscar | So, 6 to 8 weeks then yeah? :) | |
Aug 31, 2018 at 11:05 | comment | added | Luuklag | I came here from meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/373464/…, so a bit late to the party. But if we implement this as a badge I figure that programming requirement is minimal, gain maximal. | |
May 9, 2018 at 14:19 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | @yivi "The sun never sets on the vast lands of Stack Overflow" tough luck, we're out of tomorrow mornings ;) | |
May 6, 2018 at 22:59 | comment | added | user3956566 | The bonus of an auto comment of sorts is no particular user becomes the target of abuse. It's a clear message coming from the site. If you're in agreement, you can add that logic to your answer. | |
May 4, 2018 at 14:18 | comment | added | Walfrat |
That's why this sort of "just-in-time" education is so important , well when I'm coming on SO because I have a problem and I found the solution, isn't that basically a "just in time"/"just what I need" education too ? That would totallly fit the usage that most of us do of SO ? :)
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May 3, 2018 at 12:35 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | "We all know that the Help Center is hidden..." This could also get changed. | |
May 3, 2018 at 11:06 | comment | added | Gimby | I like it; rather than the constant demand that downvotes need to be explained, let the site do it. However I must add: receiving downvotes isn't even the biggest indicator there is something wrong unless they start piling on, a downvote can also easily be cast for all the wrong reasons. Receiving absolutely zero upvotes in a decent time frame (a day?) solidifies it. Just popping up a banner because of a downvote, I don't really feel much for that. It requires more sensitive timing. | |
May 3, 2018 at 3:27 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @Robert Harvey: This is one of the biggest reasons why talking to people on meta is so incredibly frustrating. | |
May 2, 2018 at 17:22 | comment | added | camden_kid | If only it could give a virtual hug too... | |
May 1, 2018 at 19:37 | comment | added | user177800 | @RobertHarvey - did not see that in the sea of comments that were folded up. | |
May 1, 2018 at 19:22 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @feelingunwelcome: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/366889/… | |
May 1, 2018 at 19:20 | comment | added | user177800 | Our site is different from other forums / Our site is not a forum because it is fundamentally not for conversation, you do not edit titles to say SOLVED, you do not put follow ups in the Answer box, etc. | |
May 1, 2018 at 16:50 | comment | added | Klors | I'd say this, along with replacing the number with something that actually lets the user know what it really means... not we love/hate you, but this is a great question / question that could do with improving. Keep the numbers for the breakdown that you can click to see with the appropriate rep threshold. | |
May 1, 2018 at 16:00 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @ChrisCirefice: I deliberately avoided more specific wording to prevent language lawyering. The phrase is only meant to say "we're different," and to suggest that "this isn't your grandfather's forum," not to put a fine point on the definition of "forum" per se. | |
May 1, 2018 at 15:58 | comment | added | Chris Cirefice | @RobertHarvey But SE isn't a network of forum sites - so I'd reword that bit (but I don't know to what). I do totally agree with this JIT notification. I think this is the single most helpful thing for new users to understand how voting and quality control works. Because of course, nobody is going to read the help center articles. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 19:28 | comment | added | Travis J | I like this, it is lightweight, easy to implement, and has the potential to make some measure of progress. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 17:21 | comment | added | enderland | @RobertHarvey I certainly hope so. It feels like an obvious thing to add for me, so hopefully this gets fasttracked. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:48 | comment | added | yivi | @enderland The huge difference here is “auto-generated comment“ vs “banner/popup/message only the user can see”. Similar to the one you get when you get some close votes. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:42 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @enderland: Given the renewed impetus for kindness, perhaps it will get some traction this time. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:36 | comment | added | enderland | A nearly identical feature request was rejected about a year ago. :( | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 16:35 | history | edited | Robert HarveyMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Apr 30, 2018 at 15:45 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | In my experience, the only people who care enough about their rep to make their complaints of downvotes about the rep are people who don't make quality contributions in the first place, and see value only in the number next to their name. Most other people who get upset about downvotes are more concerned about the fact that lower scores mean their answers getting sorted lower, questions becoming less visible on the front page, etc. Much less egregious concerns than "muh repz" I would think. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:36 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi, Fair point, it needs thought. But my hunch is <101 users aren't yet serious about rep. They care more about getting their answers and not feeling insulted. | |
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Apr 30, 2018 at 15:34 | comment | added | yivi | @jpp As long as it's more than 1 rep, you'd need to change many things for this to work, and would introduce other problems. Again, the reputation tab is supposed to be a feature, and we get questions about "how do I audit my rep" very often. Making it more obscure wont help. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:33 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi, It's an idea. I'd suggest anyone < 101 [association bonus] rep. Frankly, it could be < 1000 rep too. Negative scores on questions aren't meant for feedback to the poster and, indeed, is more often taken as an insult. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:31 | comment | added | yivi | @jpp So your idea would only work for the first question of a user who never interacted in any meaningful way with the site? And no one else? A user who asked a positively received question, and then their second post gets seriously downvoted do not get this "shield"? | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:29 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi, For a new user (you can't get less than 1 rep), it doesn't matter. Shielding is also done in elections. The discrepancy is a small price to pay. Everyone is saying the same thing: the DV isn't for the poster, it's for other users. For new users, make it explicit by only showing it to other users. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:27 | comment | added | yivi | @jpp. There are problems with that. You are only "shielded" as long are you are logged in. There will be a discrepancy with reputation and posts score (prompting more questions about "where did my points go!?!?"). You would need to hide the votes from the reputation tab. Etc. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:27 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @yivi: You could have a thing where your own questions/answers clamp the displayed score to -1, but a privilege at (say) 125 rep that shows the true score. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:26 | comment | added | jpp | @yivi. If it's positive, you see it. If it's negative, it stays at 0. In my experience a user seeing -1 or -5 or -10 has never helped them research/improve. It just fuels resentment. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:25 | comment | added | yivi | @jpp How do you mean "shield" them from the score? If you are a new user and logged in, you do not see the real score for your question? | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:20 | comment | added | jpp | Having seen what happens on Meta, any canned response is immediately refuted, however intelligent. Nobody likes seeing -10 on their work. We don't downvote for the questioner, we downvote for other users. Let's just shield them from the score, the user will get (hopefully non-sarcy) comments and VTC recommendations to ease them into SO. The moment a user sees -10, they are often not in a state to take on positive criticism. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:13 | comment | added | joran | I've been thinking that a similar "just in time" notification message for the asker should be employed when rude/abusive comments are flagged/deleted under their question. Despite rapid "clean up" the damage is often done. It would help to call attention immediately to the fact that those comments were removed and why to the asker as a sort of apology and to reinforce to the asker that the community doesn't approve of that behavior. | |
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Apr 30, 2018 at 15:06 | comment | added | Kendra | I was thinking about this option as I wrote the post, I just wasn't sure how to word it and not have a book- I like what you've posted here. I'm not sure where we'd give it to the user- an inbox message, a banner on their post, what have you. But I do think it would help. | |
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Apr 30, 2018 at 15:05 | comment | added | yivi | This. We need this. Can we have in place tomorrow morning? | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:04 | history | answered | Robert HarveyMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |