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I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increased amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because we're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however, it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse to listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us, the community - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occasionally some other help entries like On-topic).

I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increased amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because we're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however, it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse to listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us, the community - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occasionally some other help entries like On-topic).

I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increased amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because we're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however, it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse to listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occasionally some other help entries like On-topic).

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I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increasingincreased amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because where'rewe're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users, and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however, it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse to listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us, the community - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occassionallyoccasionally some other help entries like On-topic).

I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increasing amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because where're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users, and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us, the community - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occassionally some other help entries like On-topic).

I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increased amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because we're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however, it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse to listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us, the community - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occasionally some other help entries like On-topic).

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I have discriminated against those who show no desire to make an effort to think, or read basic "how to ask" pages, or who just don't care. And I will continue to discriminate against those people.

- This I totally agree with. I've seen a drastically increasing amount of LQ questions since the beginning of 2018, and despite most of them being asked or instructed (usually in a non-hostile manner!) to read How to Ask and the Tour, they still don't do it. Either they complain, keep pushing us for help, or simply ask another (pretty much the same) question.

(NOTE: I mainly hang around the or areas, so I speak from their point-of-view)

Very many newcomers don't care when we offer them the help they need to improve their asking skills. I've been in the situation, dozens of times, where one of us have asked the newcomer to read HTA and take the Tour (I usually also try to tell them what's missing from their question), but where most of them (in fact almost all) decide not to listen, and instead they get frustrated or angry because where're not helping them. Their post keeps piling on downvotes from other users, and eventually gets closed.

Downvotes do feel very hostile, it's true, and the overall apparent hostility of SO is a problem, however it must be noted that it is very often caused because the OPs refuse listen when we try to help them.

The blog post partially tries to address the "low-quality questions"-problem with what I actually think could be a very good place to start:

We’re planning to test a new “beginner” ask page that breaks the question box into multiple fields – one for each of the key things answerers need to help:

  • “What did you want to happen?”
  • “What actually happened? (Include any error details)”
  • “Paste the shortest block of code that reproduces the problem. (We’ll format it!)”
  • “Describe what you’ve tried so far (including searches, etc.)”

However the post still does put a lot of blame on us, the community - we who already try to help the newcomers improve their asking skills by telling them to read How to Ask and take the Tour, and to modify their question accordingly (plus occassionally some other help entries like On-topic).