Timeline for On the false dichotomy between quality and kindness
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Apr 30, 2018 at 15:15 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @TylerH: Yes, jerks exist. You can't stop jerks from signing up since you don't know they're jerks yet. You can only get rid of them once they appear. That would be true for any version of SO. My point is that you achieve the maximum possible kindness by preventing bad questions from being posted at all. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 15:14 | comment | added | TylerH | I'm not so sure about " Quality creates kindness. " I have worked with several people in real life and here on this site who have good skills and produce quality content but are also very, very rude... and in some cases it caused their termination despite the high quality of their work, because the bottom line is that it's about not just the work, but the people doing it that are attached to the work. Finding that balance is what all these discussions should be about, because I agree that we need to pursue quality relentlessly, but we should do so kindly, too. | |
Apr 30, 2018 at 3:35 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Knu: Um... the "silly blog post" in question told us they were doing exactly that. I'm fairly sure writing some text doesn't detract from the code work towards that feature. You can dislike the content of the post, but let's not pretend that its very existence was depriving us of something. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 19:32 | comment | added | Oleg | You completely missed all of my points... never mind, this became a typical pointless meta argument ~5 comments ago, I'll go for a run now. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 19:06 | comment | added | Oleg | Some people are not capable of controlling themselves if Vlad managed to get banned for a year he's probably one of those people. It depends where you draw the line: Allow people to be abusive and Vlad would still be here; keep the situation as is and you have a good Q&A site; make people spend 15 minutes being nice to someone who dumped their homework and many people will leave; disallow downvotes and the quality will drop no matter who is here at that point. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 18:31 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Oleg: "An important user got banned because he cared about the quality of the content and didn't care about being kind(too much even according to the current rules), how is this not a perfect demonstration of the dichotomy?" Because you have not demonstrated that Vlad could not have cared just as much about quality without getting rude. I can't tell from that comment thread what he said, but there was clearly a way to prove that the OP was wrong without resorting to being rude/insulting. It's only a dichotomy if it was impossible to argue against the position without being insulting. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 18:19 | comment | added | Oleg | What kind of proof are you looking for? just start commenting on answers you think can be improved and see what kind of responses you will get. Even one link is more proof than what was given by the blog post. I don't understand the distinction you're making between "participants" and "community" isn't the community composed of participants? An important user got banned because he cared about the quality of the content and didn't care about being kind(too much even according to the current rules), how is this not a perfect demonstration of the dichotomy? | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 18:05 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Oleg: If you remove 50% of bad questions, you've made the site that much nicer. Yes, you still have those other 50% who encounter problems, but you've got a lot more users having positive experiences. They will find the site more welcoming, which was the point. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 18:02 | comment | added | Oleg | Even if creating something that will do a decent job is possible(and that's an if, not sure how big) that's never going to prevent anything remotely close to 100% of bad content and you still have a dichotomy with what remains. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 17:55 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Oleg: "And how exactly are you going to do that?" I believe at one point there was discussion about using heuristics/AI to discover bad questions before they're asked. Employing such things would help. "bad answers cause at least as much friction" I don't see how one link proves they "cause at least as much friction". Also, I'm not sure I would call that a "bad answer". That the disagreement turned rude is a matter of the participants, not of the community. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 17:34 | comment | added | Oleg | And how exactly are you going to do that? Any solution will just shift the problem from the front door to the porch. Also bad answers cause at least as much friction meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309558/… you mentioned it but barely. | |
Apr 28, 2018 at 17:02 | history | answered | Nicol Bolas | CC BY-SA 3.0 |