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May 18, 2018 at 8:55 answer added Tsyvarev timeline score: -1
May 18, 2018 at 7:51 comment added poke If we can’t figure out how to deal with the rep yet, can we at least get the UI changed? I think this would greatly increase the experience for new users.
May 1, 2018 at 2:34 comment added duplode @Kickstart As GiantCowFilms points out, this suggestion is not directly related to this question.In any case, that definitely shouldn't be stopped. The duplicate target shouldn't be the older question, but the one more clearly formulated and/or with better answers.
Apr 30, 2018 at 21:33 comment added GiantCowFilms @Kickstart I think that warrants it's own suggestion post on main meta as it is not directly related to the goal of this one.
Apr 30, 2018 at 14:56 comment added Kickstart Can we include a limit to stop an older post being marked as a duplicate of a newer post! Some seem to write a reply to a newer post and then mark an older post that also gave the answer as a duplicate. Presumably part of farming for ratings.
Apr 30, 2018 at 13:50 answer added Bernhard Barker timeline score: 0
Apr 30, 2018 at 13:41 answer added Jiminion timeline score: 0
Apr 30, 2018 at 13:35 comment added Michael Kay You still refer to the act of submitting a duplicate question as "a mistake". In many cases that simply isn't true: we see many cases where you can only know that it's a duplicate question once you know the answer. "Why doesn't this code work?" "Because XYZT has a feature that any variable with four vowels in the name is always set to zero". There's no way a user can know that's a duplicate until they know the answer. Flagging it as a duplicate still makes sense, but there is no criticism at all of the user for raising it.
Apr 30, 2018 at 12:50 answer added shogged timeline score: -16
Apr 29, 2018 at 21:14 comment added duplode [2/2] @Jean-FrançoisFabre Finally, accepting an answer to a terrible question gives +2 to the asker under the status quo, so I don't think the feature would change much in the grand scheme of things.
Apr 29, 2018 at 21:13 comment added duplode [1/2] @Jean-FrançoisFabre Rewarding the closer is tricky business because it might encourage arbitrary closures. I don't see a comparable risk with rewarding the asker. A +50 rep cap in style of the +1000 one there is for suggested edits would make the absolute rep gained through this method relatively insignificant. Also, as River points out elsewhere, a new user trying to exploit this by posting a run of bad duplicates will likely end up question banned long before hitting the cap.
Apr 29, 2018 at 19:21 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod that feature of rewarding the asker isn't going to happen, ever (like the feature to reward the closer, already discussed here as well). There are too many cornercases and risk of abuses. I have asked a related question some time ago: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352439/…
Apr 29, 2018 at 19:11 comment added Owen An ancillary advantage to this suggestion may be fewer arguments as to whether a question is actually a duplicate.
Apr 29, 2018 at 17:04 comment added GiantCowFilms @duplode Good edit. I think I was perhaps to dramatic in my wording.
Apr 29, 2018 at 15:51 answer added River timeline score: 25
Apr 29, 2018 at 15:35 comment added duplode @RobertHarvey I have had a go at editing the title. In addition to the baggage carried by "decriminalize", it was arguably not entirely accurate, as posting a duplicate isn't a "crime" even in the fluffy, metaphorical sense intended here. (GiantCowFilms: do chime in if you feel the changed title doesn't reflect the spirit of your post.)
Apr 29, 2018 at 15:31 history edited duplode CC BY-SA 3.0
Phrasing the title in a way that carries less baggage.
Apr 29, 2018 at 15:22 comment added duplode @TaW I agree with the core of what you say: it should be a non-issue. However, it seems we consistently have trouble in getting this point across, which is why it is worth looking for ways to change how duplicate closure is presented, specially to new users.
Apr 29, 2018 at 14:23 history edited 41686d6564 CC BY-SA 3.0
Corrected spelling.
Apr 29, 2018 at 14:17 history edited 41686d6564 CC BY-SA 3.0
Corrected spelling.
Apr 29, 2018 at 14:15 comment added TaW This post is about a non-issue. Getting pointed to a (true) duplicate is as good as getting an answer. The wording 'dupehammer' or 'decriminalize' are off. If anything, gman's answer can improve a basically non-problematic situation.
Apr 29, 2018 at 14:03 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 3.0
Active reading. Expanded.
Apr 29, 2018 at 10:05 comment added Pekka @Robert but I know now I have an inner Jeff Sessions. He saw the title, and without reading the question stood up, started waving his hand and yelling never!!!!!!!
Apr 29, 2018 at 8:52 answer added user128511 timeline score: 17
Apr 28, 2018 at 15:03 comment added Robert Harvey Mod "Decriminalize" is an unfortunate choice of words here.
Apr 28, 2018 at 8:55 comment added Jongware If we're going to adjust reputation, then it's also an interesting solution on the persistent Do Not Answer Clear Duplicates Problem. Take away the gained reputation if a question gets marked as duplicate! (Maybe turning the points negative is going a bit too far.)
Apr 28, 2018 at 6:49 history edited GiantCowFilms CC BY-SA 3.0
Addressed some of the comments.
Apr 28, 2018 at 3:26 answer added duplode timeline score: 28
Apr 28, 2018 at 2:13 answer added Brock Adams timeline score: 86
Apr 27, 2018 at 23:59 comment added Elin I really like this idea. It is actually sometimes a long time later that you find the same question worded differently and this would reward a user for coming back and mark their question.
Apr 27, 2018 at 23:02 comment added GiantCowFilms @Laurel If the question is re-opened, I think we can just ignore that the OP selected a duplicate, and the rep is removed (they clearly didn't do their job properly). If it is re-closed, they can choose again. I feel like a gold tag user editing the duplicate list kind of behaves the same way as users out voting an accepted answer. It can still show the user found their answer at question XYZ at the bottom in green, but the box at the top can list all the links, as it already does.
Apr 27, 2018 at 22:46 comment added Laurel This seems like the start of a good idea, but it's a little underspecified. Say that an OP agrees with a duplicate and gets +2 rep. What happens to that rep if the question is later reopened? (Even in the current system, people sometimes accept a bad, unrelated dupe.) What happens if the question is later reclosed as a dupe? (Either of the same question or a different question.) What if a gold tag user edits the duplicate list?
Apr 27, 2018 at 22:00 comment added Jongware Ah right. Your point is, it is not bad to post a question that turns out to be a duplicate (and it cannot be said often enough that a good duplicate is a good thing!), but having done no research is a perfectly good reason for downvoting. I agree with that!
Apr 27, 2018 at 21:54 comment added GiantCowFilms I'm going to point out, that as people have suggested, really stupid duplicates like those mentioned by @usr2564301 can be delt with via heavy downvoting. The 2 rep they can get from this system will be decimated by losses from down votes. The point is the user is not inherently misbehaving by posting a duplicate, and therefore the system should not be inherently hostile.
Apr 27, 2018 at 21:46 comment added Stargateur @ryanyuyu I didn't say that bad question shouldn't be downvoted, but effort from OP to acknowledge that the question was a duplicate is a good thing.
Apr 27, 2018 at 21:45 comment added Patrice @Kobi no. We really shouldn't. If you have a good answer, post it on the dupe target. The intent of duping is to have all the answers in one place. If you dupe and still answer, users will have to navigate to 4 or 10 questions to get the best answer. This is exactly what duplication was meant to stop. Rewriting the answer with the OP's variable names isn't you doing them a favor. If they have trouble applying/understanding the answer, chat or comments should suffice
Apr 27, 2018 at 21:45 comment added Jongware How about a question where copying its title into Google literally gives an answer on Stack Overflow as its top hit? I have encountered that many, may times. It's not only worthy of a close vote, it gets an immediate downvote from me as well.
Apr 27, 2018 at 21:30 comment added ryanyuyu @Stargateur a bad duplicate is exactly that. A bad question that also happens to be a duplicate. I don't want to reward bad questions that happen to get lucky that there was a duplicate. For example, bad questions that are duplicate to the canonical java NPE.
Apr 27, 2018 at 21:11 comment added Mage Xy I could see this being mildly abused. Some people would create questions that they know are duplicates, just so they could farm that +2 rep per question. Probably (hopefully) an edge case, but still worth mentioning IMO.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:53 comment added Kobi I've posted this answer 15 minutes before your question: We should allow answers to duplicated questions
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:53 comment added Stargateur @ryanyuyu What is a bad duplicate ? In my opinion there is no bad duplicate just bad question. I like duplicate that increase the chance that a new user don't ask another question that already been asked, specially because newbie don't know what to search, and other newbie create nice duplicated for them because they talk the same newbie language.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:50 comment added ryanyuyu We just need to make sure that we don't reward bad duplicate questions. But that's what downvotes are for. We'll just downvote all the bad duplicates to counteract the new reputation reward for accepting a duplicate decision. This makes us appear friendlier to the good duplicates and meaner to the bad ones.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:50 comment added Stargateur @Rainbolt I didn't understand that, I understand that the OP could still be reward by accepted the duplicate, that however not reopen the question if OP refuse.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:44 comment added Makoto @Stargateur: The question is still eligible to be voted on, so if there exists an answer that the OP agrees with, they're still permitted to accept it.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:40 comment added Rainbolt To address the above comments about how it currently works: If a gold badge user marks a question as a dupe, it's closed. If the author accepts that it's a dupe, it's closed. If the author rejects that it's a dupe, literally nothing happens and the question continues to be voted on by the rest of the community.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:39 comment added joran @Stargateur So currently dupehammer closures bypass the OP confirm/dispute UI entirely? I just can't remember.
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:37 comment added Stargateur @joran "Users should be given the opportunity to accept an original question even after the five vote tally has been reached. Sometimes the close voters kill a question before the user checks it again."
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:36 comment added joran Can you refresh my memory on how that confirm/dispute UI interacts with gold badge dupehammer closures? And how would your proposed changes work in that case too?
Apr 27, 2018 at 20:33 history asked GiantCowFilms CC BY-SA 3.0