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Apr 20, 2018 at 8:39 answer added Luuklag timeline score: 6
Apr 19, 2018 at 9:12 comment added rene @BDL Okay, that might be something to consider. For what is worth, active and upcoming burninations are also pinned on the starboard in SOCVR.
Apr 19, 2018 at 9:05 comment added BDL @rene: Sure. But to find out which burnation(if any) is ongoing one has to go to meta and actively search for the currently request. I don't think a lot of people do this. If there would be, let's say, a link from the review menu (for >2k users) linking to the ongoing burnation more people might stumble over it and help cleaning up.
Apr 18, 2018 at 22:22 comment added BJ Myers @Servy Okay, I see what you're saying. The general sense I've gotten from burnination-rejection explanations is "that's a waste of my time," rather than saying we should steer everybody toward work with greater ROI. You've framed that a bit differently and I tend to agree.
Apr 18, 2018 at 22:02 comment added Servy @BJMyers The problem here isn't that there are tons of people doing tag cleanups and people want to stop them from doing it, the problem is that there are tons of people suggesting tags get cleaned up and then those tags not actually getting cleaned up. If tag cleanup requests were more limited to requests that would be useful, then perhaps more people would see a reason to participate, or at a minimum, those that do choose to will be spending their time on work that adds more value.
Apr 18, 2018 at 21:50 comment added BJ Myers @PetterFriberg Nobody is asking you to review those questions if you don't want to. If somebody else wants to do the work, and it would be a net benefit, why should we tell them that they can't do it?
Apr 18, 2018 at 21:01 answer added mlane timeline score: -3
Apr 18, 2018 at 20:20 comment added rene @BDL burninations follow a strict status-tagging process.
Apr 18, 2018 at 19:56 comment added BDL What we really need is a better system for such cleanup processes. A review queue like thing for checking the questions maybe? And we could need a better way to inform people which cleanup is currently in progress.
Apr 18, 2018 at 19:37 answer added Braiam timeline score: 10
Apr 18, 2018 at 19:03 comment added Braiam @rene that's a criteria I could get behind.
Apr 18, 2018 at 19:00 comment added Petter Friberg @YvetteColomb To me both moderator time and community time is valuable and limited (even if it is free of charge) so the conclusion is the boring cost vs benefit. To me tag is useful is not enough to merit hundreds of hours of community work, we need to choose and directed or resources (yes it's sad and boring, we should edit and improve all tags.. but that's utopian and not realistic). I have taken "a stand" on a highly upvoted and featured meta, at least tell me why I should spend hours reviewing all questions with tag [multiple]?,
Apr 18, 2018 at 17:31 comment added user3956566 The amount of work taken to remove the take is irrelevant when assessing whether a tag is useful or not. Having said that, if the burn todo list is long well, it stays long until it can be addressed.
Apr 18, 2018 at 16:28 comment added Petter Friberg I would put that in tooltip when trying to upvote the burnation request. "Yes this tag is harmful and I will enjoy to help out cleaning it up" :)
Apr 18, 2018 at 16:24 comment added rene One of the criteria to be answered by the OP should be: Are you willing to do the closing/re-tagging/deleting/editing of those x questions. If the answer is no, don't bother posting.
Apr 18, 2018 at 16:17 comment added Petter Friberg Also note that one of the last featured tags, I can't remember which one maybe [user]?, mostly only had a simple tag removal from staff, because reviewing those had absolute no sense. I'm not against this in fact maybe this is what people are actually asking? We need a better classification?
Apr 18, 2018 at 16:11 comment added Petter Friberg due note that my indicated tags are only some examples of what I think can be worth the effort, lets not turn this questions into which tags are important to deal with, this discussion should instead be present on every burnation request The purpose of question instead is: Should we discuss and ask what is the harm?, is it worth the effort? on burniation request?
Apr 18, 2018 at 16:03 comment added Petter Friberg As it is now, people posts request, we all agree it the tag is bad (we don't really consider if it's actually worth the time) and then we carry on, we feature some and it gets upvote, a few brave (that are always less, try to clean it up, while another 10 arrives). At least lets conclude that the current situation is not ideal.
Apr 18, 2018 at 15:59 comment added Petter Friberg @Undo for sure the old [angular] mess, as [vuejs, vue.js, vuejs2, vue2], [request] tag creates confusion, [taskbar, windows-taskbar], [fetchmail] few questions probably worth our effort, maybe [appstore-approval] generates off-topic questions as maybe [uninstall], [code-review]?. Lets find the ones that creates mess and leave all the ones that does not really do any actual harm if question have that tag also as for [tag], [catalog]. Anyway my suggestion is that user posting request explain to us why it's worth the effort (few questions? or big mess?)
Apr 18, 2018 at 15:27 comment added Undo Mod Let me turn this around - do you have any examples of tags that you think would pass this test? What's the answer to this question for those?
Apr 18, 2018 at 14:58 history edited TylerH CC BY-SA 3.0
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Apr 18, 2018 at 14:57 comment added Pac0 Well, seems complicated, nearly ambiguous. Let's burninate the meta tags [discussion] and [burninate-system] instead.
Apr 18, 2018 at 14:01 comment added Servy @Braiam How does the existence of a bad tag result in questions not being answered, edited, or closed, as appropriate? The biggest problems with bad tags are tags that are ambiguous, and result in people constantly needing to re-tag questions asked in that tag to the one(s) that are actually appropriate, and making it hard to find the questions that actually belong to that topic. There is perhaps a lesser problem of tags for off topic concepts resulting in people asking off topic questions, but I suspect most people asking such questions would do so even if there was no such tag.
Apr 18, 2018 at 13:18 comment added Petter Friberg Feel free to answer and explain why we should put effort into it
Apr 18, 2018 at 12:56 comment added Braiam "looks" doesn't mean that it is.
Apr 18, 2018 at 11:56 comment added Petter Friberg It looks like pointless busy work
Apr 18, 2018 at 11:24 comment added Braiam Well, ineffective tags are the main cause of above concerns... so, what are you getting at?
Apr 18, 2018 at 10:45 comment added Petter Friberg In fact removing a tag that is tag is probably one of our last concerns
Apr 18, 2018 at 10:43 comment added Braiam What more critical issues than seeing answerable questions without answers? Or in dire need of editing without being edited? Or needed to be closed so we could prevent bad answers and the OP fixed them?
Apr 18, 2018 at 10:33 comment added Petter Friberg @Braiam or it would concentrate effort on critical issues?
Apr 18, 2018 at 10:21 comment added Braiam This would put the bar to burnination unbearably high! BTW, most of the harm a bad tag does is totally silent. Is usually questions without good answers, without good edits or without prompt closure.
Apr 18, 2018 at 10:18 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 3.0
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Apr 18, 2018 at 8:40 history asked Petter Friberg CC BY-SA 3.0