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Jan 3, 2022 at 14:24 comment added jrh @MichaelPetch I don't have the stats on how many people read tag wikis but I do and I'm happy they are here.
Oct 28, 2018 at 8:18 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 4.0
(While we are at it.) - but perhaps something could be done to the last sentence.
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Apr 19, 2018 at 9:41 comment added Peter Cordes @EvanCarroll: Can you post an answer which makes the case for this? It's an interesting question which I upvoted because it's well-asked and worth looking at, not because I think the answer is "yes". A good way to see if anyone agrees with your position would be to post your position as an answer.
Apr 19, 2018 at 9:37 history edited Andrew Morton CC BY-SA 3.0
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Apr 18, 2018 at 20:35 comment added BeeOnRope @EvanCarroll - IMO that's far from the only valid argument. As mentioned below other arguments include that the tag is too narrow and specific to be useful especially on a relatively "closed" topic like the lea or test instructions.
Apr 17, 2018 at 17:36 comment added Peter Cordes Prove me wrong: all that content you maintain and all those questions you've answered -- have you ever personally linked to it once as a reference? Yes, I link the x86 tag wiki all the time. Often something like "see agner.org/optimize, and other performance links in the x86 tag wiki." Or for the section on ABI docs, or the debugging section at the bottom. I've definitely had people thank me for that, or say it was full of good stuff. It's definitely a mess, but not so messy that it's unusable. I use it for find canonical dup links.
Apr 17, 2018 at 7:56 comment added BDL Related (and more general) discussion: Should tags be created for functions of APIs?
Apr 17, 2018 at 6:42 answer added Peter Cordes timeline score: 10
Apr 17, 2018 at 6:18 comment added Martin James ..and all the boolean operations, since many users are unfamiliar with AND, OR, XOR, (sad but true, as can be determined by looking as SO questions).
Apr 17, 2018 at 6:17 comment added Martin James oh.. and all the arithmetic operation that use/affect overflow and carry flags.
Apr 17, 2018 at 6:16 comment added Martin James I think there is a danger of leaving other such tags out. PUSH, POP, CALL, ENTER, LEAVE, RET X, for example.
Apr 17, 2018 at 4:16 comment added Michael Petch I'd be very curious what your 2 bans were for. Last night before I reversed 3 x86-lea tags (I didn't reverse all of them) I decided to read your twitter and FB to figure out if your edits were serious. I was on the fence on looking at your changes because of the very fact SO removed your moderator nomination. I was trying to decide whether your edits were serious or not. I reversed one answer you modified because I almost considered it vandalism and then the issue of the tags showed up. Didn't help that you had almost no activity previously in the assembly tag.
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:34 comment added Evan Carroll The only valid argument I can see is that we have 5 more useful tags already on some questions, if we did in fact have more than five useful tags on a question (which I've never seen).
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:33 comment added Evan Carroll I have no interest in that so I wouldn't know. my interest in assembly comes from understanding compiled programs disassembled and the side effects that are being employed. Not from building boot loaders. When I'm struggling with a tag like LEA it would help me to have a source with all of those questions and a decent tag wiki providing a synopsis of the kinds of optimizations it's used for, what it does, how it's used, and how it's unique. I can't sell you on creating resource, but I'm totally confused at why there is so much opposition to it.
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:20 comment added Michael Petch Usually I'll change [boot] tags to [bootloader] if I happen to cleanup the question being asked.
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:18 comment added Michael Petch If you have spent any level of time in the [assembly] tag then you'd probably know if you eliminate all the questions that are not programming and are closed as offtopic that are tagged with [boot], the bulk of the remaining questions often come down to boot questions involving bootloaders for various platforms. [boot] is often paired with [assembly] since most [boot] programming questions are usually how to write bootloaders. Most bootloaders have an assembly language component. Unfortunately we have both bootloaders and boot. Those two tags are one area that can use a good cleanup.
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:17 comment added Peter Cordes I wish SO had a better mechanism for showing new users that tag wikis exist and often have well-curated collections of links. I've heard from many people that they didn't know stackoverflow.com/tags/x86/info even existed, even some experienced users. (Not just that they didn't know there was anything good on that tag wiki, but the entire concept of tag wikis.) I'd been answering asm questions for months before I found out about them.
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:09 comment added Evan Carroll What does boot have to do with assembly? It doesn't even have a tag wiki for people not to use -- unlike LEA which at least I tried seed with information. I'll be happy to help you use it if you define it. Seems rather impotent to argue if I build it they won't come, so let's not build it. StackOverflow has the functionality. We have a tag with 1,600 questions. Let's make it better if we have an idea of how to do it.
Apr 17, 2018 at 3:02 comment added Michael Petch But that's the point, with the something simple like [boot] (which is often related to assembly) people don't read it because it tells them about spring-boot specifically. It isn't a long tag wiki, but people don't read it. Whether the x86 tag wiki is long or short - people likely won't read it whether it had 10 words or 10,000. People who use tags really aren't made to actually read them, and for the most part I believe n00bs ignore the info altogether.
Apr 17, 2018 at 2:59 comment added Evan Carroll The [x86] tag wiki is a mistake. If no one reads it, it's because it's approaching the length of the [x86] manual itself. That's a frightening problem because so much of the content, if better organized, would be reachable. Moreover, it's not practical to link to it at all in the current form. Prove me wrong: all that content you maintain and all those questions you've answered -- have you ever personally linked to it once as a reference?
Apr 17, 2018 at 2:56 comment added Michael Petch The x86 tag is functional now, it has a lot of information, most people who actually read it would find their answers already have a solution. But I don't think most people even read it at all. Splitting the x86 tag wiki out into a bunch of other sub tags only spreads around the info that people aren't reading. I support one x86 (and an x86-64) tag wiki with a lot of info than having to link to individual instruction wikis that then point to the answers they might be interested in. Extra levels of indirection are not going to help.
Apr 17, 2018 at 2:52 comment added Evan Carroll Ok, well let it be shown then that your example has no evidence of a single person that hasn't read the tag wiki; there is no maintenance work on the tag now; everything is properly tagged now; and, all those tags are functional now. ;) I'm just confused how this is being used to as evidence to burninate these tags there. Looks like [boot] and [spring-boot] are a rousing success despite the potential ambiguity (which isn't being discussed and doesn't apply to this case).
Apr 17, 2018 at 2:49 comment added Michael Petch I didn't say it takes a lot of work. I clean it up daily. the intent of the comment is to show that people who use the tags don't actually read the guidance in the pop up let alone the complete wiki. Maybe they would if users were some how forced to read the tag wiki info for a tag they use for the first time, but alas they'd probably still ignore it.
Apr 17, 2018 at 2:44 comment added Evan Carroll @MichaelPetch Be pretty easy to clean it up though, and it must not be too difficult to maintain it: stackoverflow.com/search?q=%5Bjava%5D+%5Bboot%5D+spring I'm not saying tags are implemented flawlessly -- truth be told a bit of hierarchy would do a lot to better the system, but they're far better than not having them.
Apr 17, 2018 at 2:32 comment added Michael Petch Personally I think the tag wikis are a failure in a way because adding tags really doesn't force a new user to actually read the complete tag info. I doubt that most read the tag intro when they enter the tags in the first place. I base that observation on how many people tag [spring-boot] questions as [boot] despite this in the excerpt/guidance Do NOT use this tag for Spring Boot. Use [spring-boot] instead. . I stopped counting how many times I have had to clean up [boot], but if people even read the excerpt I wouldn't be doing the cleanup which is a daily task for me.
Apr 17, 2018 at 1:21 answer added BeeOnRope timeline score: 20
Apr 17, 2018 at 1:18 comment added Peter Cordes This kind of comes back to the problem of posting better answers to old questions. I should could post that answer on one of the huge LEA questions, like What's the purpose of the LEA instruction?, but with the OP of that question last seen Nov 2 '09, it won't get "accepted" and will take forever to bubble up to the top. (I left a comment on the question, like I've done with some other LEA questions, but I think those sometimes get deleted :/). This is a general problem on SO; tags aren't usually the solution to duplicates and old mediocre answers.
Apr 17, 2018 at 1:09 comment added Evan Carroll I found that answer INCREDIBLY useful, if that helps with your ego. The wiki for LEA would be a great place for that. =) Your (and our) biggest problem is we're all left trying to figure out how to best organize StackOverflow to get your contributions the most coverage.
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Apr 17, 2018 at 1:06 comment added Peter Cordes It'd be cool if other people would dup-hammer most questions to my answers. :P My ego isn't large enough to dup-hammer the +500 upvotes Q&As about LEA to my answer on Address Computation Instruction -- leaq which explains that it's just a shift-and-add instruction that exposes this capability of the CPU to decode addressing modes, and there's no reason to think that using it for integer math instead of actual addresses is an "abuse" or hack. That's probably one of the intended purposes of putting LEA in the instruction set.
Apr 17, 2018 at 1:05 history edited Evan Carroll CC BY-SA 3.0
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Apr 17, 2018 at 1:02 comment added Evan Carroll @PeterCordes RIP-relative addressing just got my yesterday, part of the inspiration for the effort to organize these complex instructions reverseengineering.stackexchange.com/q/18007/22669
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Apr 17, 2018 at 0:55 comment added Peter Cordes @1201ProgramAlarm: no, because x86 includes all versions of the ISA from 8086 to x86-64. And like most instructions, they didn't change behaviour in x86-64. (RIP-relative addressing modes are a new use-case for LEA, though). (Also, x64 is just a shorthand Microsoft invented. It's not used outside of Windows. Using "x86" to specifically mean 32-bit x86 / IA-32 is also a Windows thing. For example, in the Linux kernel you'll find the x86-64 stuff in arch/x86, along with 32-bit x86). I'm not convinced we need these tags at all, but if we do then no, we don't also need x86-64-lea.
Apr 17, 2018 at 0:53 comment added Evan Carroll No, because we still have x86-64 which all the x64 questions should already be tagged with.
Apr 17, 2018 at 0:51 comment added 1201ProgramAlarm Would we then need x64-lea and x64-test tags?
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