Timeline for Meta on Meta: How to approach disgruntled users
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Apr 16, 2018 at 21:12 | comment | added | Kendra | A little late to this party, but I think my poem in my profile is quite related. You can also find the original here. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 15:55 | comment | added | Martin James | @jpp yeah - 'should not be closed' - it's my personal view, not SO policy. If SO wishes to apply different criteria, fine - it's their site. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 15:45 | comment | added | duplode | @jpp It is not policy, but on the topic of close votes on Meta (and more) you might find this discussion an interesting read. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 14:43 | comment | added | jpp | @MartinJames, "this is meta. and posts shold not be closed unless they are grossly offensive." Do you have a reference for this? Why don't admins change close reasons if this is truly the case? | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 13:24 | answer | added | BSMP | timeline score: 10 | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 10:38 | comment | added | yivi | By grouping "venting", "quipping" and "downvoting" you seem to be saying that that there is something objectionable in downvoting. (The preferable behavior of "group 36" includes "editing" and "answering", but not "downvoting"). There is nothing wrong with votes (up or down). It's the main way to express opinions about content in the network. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 10:31 | comment | added | yivi | I disagree with the picture you paint here; where some users "vent", "downvote", and "quip"; and others "edit" and "answer". I don't think your choice of words reflect the truth (users reply in comments, not necessarily "venting" or "quipping"); and I do not think this two camps actually exist. A lot of the users that are replying in comments, no matter how, are also answering and editing. Your question starts off from a false premise, and I personally believe that the example you chosen is not a good one, as putting your answer as representing one camp doesn't work as your answer is poor. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 10:30 | comment | added | Martin James | I downvotes this too. 'Should we look to help users who come to Meta as well as point out where they are wrong, or are we better off just chastising them' is a question that implies a confrontational approach from meta users is common and is designed to put anyone who complains about getting slagged off on meta as being on the wrong side of an argument. I don't like being insulted, and I don't like political games that suggest that a submissive rolling-over is the 'right' response to it. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 10:05 | history | edited | jpp | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Apr 16, 2018 at 9:47 | comment | added | Martin James | @jpp this is meta. and posts shold not be closed unless they are grossly offensive. In this case, there was a useful answer/suggestion supplied. Besides, when measured against the usual ' ego-tripping nazi bullies, preying on poor, helpless new users', yet another slap in the face for SO user-moderators is nothing. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 9:32 | comment | added | S.L. Barth is on codidact.com | A little patience goes a long way. I've had a few users who calmed down and tried to do better. We should keep in mind that, for a new user, Stack Overflow is a place with a lot of crazy rules. We know the "how" and "why" of all these rules, but new users don't. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 8:45 | comment | added | jpp | @BoltClock, Regarding "don't waste your time" - entirely valid response to this Meta. Except for 2 things. (1) My response is shorter than the others; literally 2 sentences; I suggest if we are going to "waste time" let's waste as minimal time as possible and, while we are at it, be helpful. (2) If the question is so bad people should be voting to close versus actually answering, which isn't happening either. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 7:56 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | @BoltClock All you say is true - and I can identify with "It's happened to me too often". OTOH it's a warning sign when we (and I do mean we) have knee-jerk negative reactions. In my case, it's a sign I need a break. In the specific case which prompted this question I can feel the OP's frustration. Granted, it should have been better directed at the software manufacturer. But the language used wasn't that bad, when I compare it to other rants I've seen. The person might, indeed, have had a positive reaction to the proposal that the links could be copied to a tag wiki. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 6:48 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | The vast majority of such posts show no research into how Stack Overflow or Meta works or any knowledge of prior discussions. That's why they get downvoted, not (just) because they have an inconsiderate tone. If that's the only problem with the post, 3 + 6 does already happen. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 6:13 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @Cindy Meister: As for people who are upset at the moment, it's equally seldom that I get positive responses or 180s out of people who are still upset at the time. This is why giving yourself and others time is so emphasized as a soft skill, and why "does not appear to seek input" is a close reason. Trying to placate someone while name-calling is in their mind still a totally acceptable way to communicate is futile. But maybe I've just dealt with too many people who maintain their negativity regardless of how much time or TLC they're given and not enough people who eventually see reason. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 6:07 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @Cindy Meister: If your goal is to set an example for others to follow, irrespective of the OP's agenda, that's fine, and certainly not a waste of time. I've posted objective answers that serve primarily to inform, or even fact-check if the OP has gone so far as to fabricate tall tales to disparage others in the first place, and don't make a heroic attempt at serving the OP's interests or placating them when it's clear that neither having an open mind nor a constructive discussion without name-calling are among their interests. (I'm not sure why a wiki would be necessary in most situations.) | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 5:45 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | @BoltClock I disagree. Sometimes, people are so upset at the moment they use injudicious language. But a useful answer - put it in a wiki - can help. And if not help that individual, someone else. You can't judge in this venue who "will actually appreciate it". Remaining objective and providing information is seldom a "waste of time". | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 5:33 | comment | added | Suraj Rao | We could kindly advise him that there's a dedicated section on SO (tag wikis) for collecting links to official documentation. Am all for it if these users actually take the advise and respond politely in kind. But sadly I have yet to witness that. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 3:37 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | Generally, people who use such scathing words already have their minds made up about what the community is like, and efforts to help them tend to go unappreciated. Might as well not waste your time and focus on those who will actually appreciate it. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 3:25 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | I resent that. I only read down to "I suggest 3 + 6 is a better response" before downvoting. I didn't even know who had posted it. | |
Apr 16, 2018 at 3:23 | history | asked | jpp | CC BY-SA 3.0 |