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Why not try to stop the comment before it is postposted?

Yes we have the technology!, we We would not catch 'em all, and probably have a few negatives, but it could work like this.

  1. User posted a comment
  2. SE runs comment in internal or external apiAPI (community is willing to help, we can provide feeds, we can build apiAPI from what we have, we can review your feeds, tell us what you need it all free of charge!)
  3. If comment is classified as "Not nice", user is notified that comment does not seem to be "appropriate". We could even customize the message on the basis as;of: is commenter OP,OP; what reputation do they have,have; how bad is the comment (heat detection score).?

I have, during these last years, been monitoring comments on Stack Overflow with a bot using regex and machine learning which output resultoutputs results to chat. The background is that I asked SE for a dump of rude comments, which they supplied. After some reviewing of the dump (it had it'sits problem), we built some machine learning models, added some regex and got an apiAPI key to also use perspective apiAPI. Today we have approximately 50.000 (fifty thousand) comments that were classified as "not nice".

Let me tell you what is my 2 centtwo-cent analysis is during this time that I have seen as the primary cause to "heat" on Stack Overflow.

1. Established user comments that question is not okOK

OP sometimes reactreacts with

Bad question --> "not nice" comments by an established user pointing this out --> angry comment from OP.

The OP thinks Stack Overflow is negative lately and the established user feels that OP is ruderude; posting no-research, homework, do my work-my-work questions.

Flaggers and mods can't do much, we abusive flag OP's response, we no-longer need flag established user comment (yes on meta and among mods, there is a feeling that this correct flag), probably question is closed and roombadRoomba'd and next day we iterate it again.

Remove the bad question,question; Tim has already touched it, I on. In my first year on SO I tried with a clumsy suggestion but Cody later did it better: improve Ask questions interfaceLet's improve Stack Overflow's "Ask a Question" page!.

  • If we detect snark from established user, we alert 'em and ask them instead to downvote and close vote and explain that their comment only creates more mess (it's not doing Stack Overflow favor,a favor; OP will not take that the advice if he feel that you are not nice).

  • If we detect an offensive response from OP, we alert 'em and ask them to not response insteadrespond. Instead, flag, read the close banner (if closed), and inform them about the be-nice policy. Yes, many will just click through the dialog but a few honest ones will certainly stop.

Why not try to stop the comment before it is post?

Yes we have the technology!, we would not catch 'em all and probably have a few negatives but it could work like this.

  1. User posted a comment
  2. SE runs comment in internal or external api (community is willing to help, we can provide feeds, we can build api from what we have, we can review your feeds, tell us what you need it all free of charge!)
  3. If comment is classified as "Not nice" user is notified that comment does not seem to be "appropriate". We could even customize the message on basis as; is commenter OP, what reputation do they have, how bad is the comment (heat detection score).

I have during these last years been monitoring comments on Stack Overflow with a bot using regex and machine learning which output result to chat. The background is that I asked SE for a dump of rude comments which they supplied. After some reviewing of the dump (it had it's problem) we built some machine learning models, added some regex and got an api key to also use perspective api. Today we have approximately 50.000 comments that were classified as "not nice".

Let me tell you what is my 2 cent analysis during this time that have seen as the primary cause to "heat" on Stack Overflow.

1. Established user comments that question is not ok

OP sometimes react with

Bad question --> "not nice" comments by established user pointing this out --> angry comment from OP.

OP thinks Stack Overflow is negative lately and established user feels that OP is rude posting no-research, homework, do my work questions.

Flaggers and mods can't do much, we abusive flag OP's response, we no-longer need flag established user comment (yes on meta and among mods, there is a feeling that this correct flag), probably question is closed and roombad and next day we iterate it again.

Remove bad question, Tim has already touched it, I on my first year on SO tried with a clumsy suggestion but Cody later did it better improve Ask questions interface.

  • If we detect snark from established user, we alert 'em ask them instead to downvote and close vote and explain that their comment only creates more mess (it's not doing Stack Overflow favor, OP will not take that the advice if he feel that you are not nice).

  • If we detect offensive response from OP, we alert 'em and ask them to not response instead flag, read close banner (if closed) inform about be-nice policy. Yes many will just click through the dialog but a few honest ones will certainly stop

Why not try to stop the comment before it is posted?

Yes we have the technology! We would not catch 'em all, and probably have a few negatives, but it could work like this.

  1. User posted a comment
  2. SE runs comment in internal or external API (community is willing to help, we can provide feeds, we can build API from what we have, we can review your feeds, tell us what you need it all free of charge!)
  3. If comment is classified as "Not nice", user is notified that comment does not seem to be "appropriate". We could even customize the message on the basis of: is commenter OP; what reputation do they have; how bad is the comment (heat detection score)?

I have, during these last years, been monitoring comments on Stack Overflow with a bot using regex and machine learning which outputs results to chat. The background is that I asked SE for a dump of rude comments, which they supplied. After some reviewing of the dump (it had its problem), we built some machine learning models, added some regex and got an API key to also use perspective API. Today we have approximately 50.000 (fifty thousand) comments that were classified as "not nice".

Let me tell you what my two-cent analysis is during this time that I have seen as the primary cause to "heat" on Stack Overflow.

1. Established user comments that question is not OK

OP sometimes reacts with

Bad question --> "not nice" comments by an established user pointing this out --> angry comment from OP.

The OP thinks Stack Overflow is negative lately and the established user feels that OP is rude; posting no-research, homework, do-my-work questions.

Flaggers and mods can't do much, we abusive flag OP's response, we no-longer need flag established user comment (yes on meta and among mods, there is a feeling that this correct flag), probably question is closed and Roomba'd and next day we iterate it again.

Remove the bad question; Tim has already touched it. In my first year on SO I tried with a clumsy suggestion but Cody later did it better: Let's improve Stack Overflow's "Ask a Question" page!

  • If we detect snark from established user, we alert 'em and ask them instead to downvote and close vote and explain that their comment only creates more mess (it's not doing Stack Overflow a favor; OP will not take that advice if he feel that you are not nice).

  • If we detect an offensive response from OP, we alert 'em and ask them to not respond. Instead, flag, read the close banner (if closed), and inform them about the be-nice policy. Yes, many will just click through the dialog but a few honest ones will certainly stop.

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Yes we have the techonologytechnology!, we would not catch'emcatch 'em all and probably have a few negatives but it could work like this.

  1. User posted a comment
  2. SE runs comment in internal or external api (community is willing to help, we can provide feeds, we can build api from what we have, we can review your feeds, tell us what you need it all free of charge!)
  3. If comment is classifedclassified as "Not nice" user is notifednotified that comment does not seem to be "appropriate". We could even customizedcustomize the message on basis as; is commentarcommenter OP, what reputation do they have, how bad is the comment (heat detection score).

InitallyInitially it could be only a dialog notifingnotifying you, hence you can choose "No sorry, don't post it" or "Yes post it, let'emlet 'em know what I think".

I have during these last years been monitoring comments on Stack Overflow with a bot using regex and macchinemachine learning which output result to chat. The background is that I asked SE for a dump of rude comments which they supplied. After some reviewing of the dump (it had it's problem) we buildbuilt some macchinemachine learning models, added some regex and got an api key to also use perspective api. Today we have approximately 50.000 comments that were classified as "not nice".

Yes your answer should be as well for encouraging a bad question. Spend more time on the site and you'll realize why these questions are explicitly off topic; it has nothing to do with my reputation. This is a publicallypublicly moderated site. People down voting you has nothing to do with them playing God, and everything to do with them not wanting to see this site dissolve into the typical crap-hole most public forums eventually fall into.

  • If we detect snark from established user, we alert'emalert 'em ask them instead to downvote and close vote and explain that their comment only creates more mess (it's not doing Stack Overflow favor, OP will not take that the advice if he feel that you are not nice).

  • If we detect offensive response from OP, we alert'emalert 'em and ask them to not response instead flag, read close banner (if closed) inform about be-nice policy. Yes many will just click through the dialog but a few honest ones will certainly stop

Yes we have the techonology!, we would not catch'em all and probably have a few negatives but it could work like this.

  1. User posted a comment
  2. SE runs comment in internal or external api (community is willing to help, we can provide feeds, we can build api from what we have, we can review your feeds, tell us what you need it all free of charge!)
  3. If comment is classifed as "Not nice" user is notifed that comment does not seem to be "appropriate". We could even customized the message on basis as; is commentar OP, what reputation do they have, how bad is the comment (heat detection score).

Initally it could be only a dialog notifing you, hence you can choose "No sorry, don't post it" or "Yes post it, let'em know what I think".

I have during these last years been monitoring comments on Stack Overflow with a bot using regex and macchine learning which output result to chat. The background is that I asked SE for a dump of rude comments which they supplied. After some reviewing of the dump (it had it's problem) we build some macchine learning models, added some regex and got an api key to also use perspective api. Today we have approximately 50.000 comments that were classified as "not nice".

Yes your answer should be as well for encouraging a bad question. Spend more time on the site and you'll realize why these questions are explicitly off topic; it has nothing to do with my reputation. This is a publically moderated site. People down voting you has nothing to do with them playing God, and everything to do with them not wanting to see this site dissolve into the typical crap-hole most public forums eventually fall into.

  • If we detect snark from established user, we alert'em ask them instead to downvote and close vote and explain that their comment only creates more mess (it's not doing Stack Overflow favor, OP will not take that the advice if he feel that you are not nice).

  • If we detect offensive response from OP, we alert'em and ask them to not response instead flag, read close banner (if closed) inform about be-nice policy. Yes many will just click through the dialog but a few honest ones will certainly stop

Yes we have the technology!, we would not catch 'em all and probably have a few negatives but it could work like this.

  1. User posted a comment
  2. SE runs comment in internal or external api (community is willing to help, we can provide feeds, we can build api from what we have, we can review your feeds, tell us what you need it all free of charge!)
  3. If comment is classified as "Not nice" user is notified that comment does not seem to be "appropriate". We could even customize the message on basis as; is commenter OP, what reputation do they have, how bad is the comment (heat detection score).

Initially it could be only a dialog notifying you, hence you can choose "No sorry, don't post it" or "Yes post it, let 'em know what I think".

I have during these last years been monitoring comments on Stack Overflow with a bot using regex and machine learning which output result to chat. The background is that I asked SE for a dump of rude comments which they supplied. After some reviewing of the dump (it had it's problem) we built some machine learning models, added some regex and got an api key to also use perspective api. Today we have approximately 50.000 comments that were classified as "not nice".

Yes your answer should be as well for encouraging a bad question. Spend more time on the site and you'll realize why these questions are explicitly off topic; it has nothing to do with my reputation. This is a publicly moderated site. People down voting you has nothing to do with them playing God, and everything to do with them not wanting to see this site dissolve into the typical crap-hole most public forums eventually fall into.

  • If we detect snark from established user, we alert 'em ask them instead to downvote and close vote and explain that their comment only creates more mess (it's not doing Stack Overflow favor, OP will not take that the advice if he feel that you are not nice).

  • If we detect offensive response from OP, we alert 'em and ask them to not response instead flag, read close banner (if closed) inform about be-nice policy. Yes many will just click through the dialog but a few honest ones will certainly stop

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