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Jan 16, 2018 at 9:55 comment added gnat "This ain't English" - is this correctly spelled @Josh? I thought it should be written as 必须用英语吗
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:57 comment added user4639281 @tadman I said "implementation cost" not "development cost". There are more costs to implementation than just the time it costs to develop the implementation. You also have the space required for the new item(s) in the close dialog, as well as the testing costs and much more.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:46 comment added tadman @JoshCaswell Hopefully discussions like this help find solutions. Having a singular "This is not English" option with a list of other sites people might try is better than nothing. If migrating is a problem I can see how that would be best avoided. There just has to be a better option than "type stuff in yourself every time". It'd just be nice if those options were advertised better when appropriate rather than staying buried in the secret footer section.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:44 comment added jscs If you're just proposing "This ain't English" as a close reason then I could see a case for that, @tadman. Your question and earlier comments seem to suggest that there should be one such reason for each other language. I don't know that anyone else perceives a need for all those.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:42 comment added tadman @JoshCaswell How is that better than adding a simple option to the close menu which people can pick when the question is obviously not English?
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:38 comment added jscs Why not use "off-topic" -> "other", @tadman? Pretty sure there is a user script floating around that lets you keep a library of standard comments for that close reason.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:34 comment added tadman @psubsee2003 Flagging it as "This question is not English and is off-topic. (link to other Stack Overflow sites)" or something would be completely adequate and addresses your concerns there. I'm not asking for anything more.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:33 comment added tadman @psubsee2003 Although ideally the site itself would recognize what language it is and flag it automatically, Chrome does this automatically, but that's a lot to ask for. Right now if I manually flag it it sometimes goes to vote and sometimes insta-closes with my comment. I don't see how that's any better than having it as a first-class "This is not English" closing option. I think people are able to identify that it is not English and therefore should be closed.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:29 comment added psubsee2003 @tadman the reason is that any reason to move a question will used incorrectly and be a burden for the target site. IF I don't speak the language, how am I supposed to be able to tell the differences between different languages that use the Latin alphabet. Maybe I know a little Spanish, but given the similarities, maybe the question is actually in Italian or Portuguese. Even worse, what if someone posts it in a Cyrillic alphabet language. I couldn't tell you if it was actually Russian, or if it Ukrainian or another language that uses the cyrillic script. You are trusting users to know.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:24 comment added Servy @tadman No, it's not. That's precisely the point. Having SO send all of it's junk to other sites has a long track record of being harmful for those sites, and the people having their questions sent there.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:21 comment added tadman @Makoto Obviously only the sites which exist should be recommended, we can't possibly handle every case, but it seems like a disservice to the other communities to not even mention them. Even if the question is junk it's better for that community to assess than the English site to black-hole it.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:20 comment added tadman @TinyGiant How is adding another option with boilerplate text "too high" a development cost? I can understand the migration issues and so on, but a standard "Not English" disclaimer cannot be that development intensive.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:18 comment added Servy @tadman There's already a perfectly acceptable option. "Unclear" is entirely appropriate as a reason for a question asked in another language, as it's not clear to the users here. But, as you've already been told, if you really want to say that, you can use a custom close reason, so feel free to do that if you prefer.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:17 comment added Makoto @tadman: Okay, suppose they posted their question in Chinese. That's not a language we support at all. Why should the close reason be different than if they spoke a language that we did have in the network? Providing a link is sufficient in my mind, since we're not promised that they can even understand English to comprehend that their question is in the wrong place.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:15 comment added user4639281 @tadman So basically your new close reason would be (language) => unclear + language is off-topic (forgive the pseudo lambda). So ultimately you could achieve the same effect without modifying the system at all by closing as unclear and leaving a comment explaining that we only accept questions in English here. For something that happens extremely rarely, the cost of the implementation is too high.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:14 comment added tadman @Servy In that case there should be a "Stack Overflow is an English only site" option, but there's absolutely nothing in the default options to deal with this sort of language mismatch.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:13 comment added Servy @tadman Telling people to go and post a question, when it's not necessarily appropriate for them to go somewhere and post a question, is not productive. It's just like migrating the question, except it's a bit more work on the question author to go and copy-paste their question. They need to learn how to figure out what questions a given site allows, and how to ask an appropriate question on that site, not just be given a different URL to dump their question on. Just trying to dump your trash on other sites isn't helpful, for anyone.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:11 comment added tadman @Makoto Many of the "Close" options don't migrate, so I don't see a problem with it simply posting an advisory automatically. Having an option saying "This question is in Spanish and should be on the Spanish site" as a recommendation is fine, but at least something in there that represents that case versus a tedious, frequent, and 100% manual comment.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:09 comment added Makoto @tadman: We still have high standards of questions that get migrated across the network. At no point should we migrate a question that we're not certain is going to be high quality and get the attention it needs. Given that we don't understand most of the languages in that list, at least one of those conditions fails.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:08 comment added jscs "pointing people in the right direction" can be done with a comment. Migrating a bad question forces other people to do even more work to deal with it again.
Jan 15, 2018 at 23:08 comment added tadman Crap question or not, it's clearly in the wrong place, and pointing people in the right direction is the best call. Not having this option in the first place just makes it annoying to do, not impossible.
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