Timeline for What could be done to limit the "C and C++ are different languages" flames on questions correctly using both tags?
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Jan 12, 2018 at 13:22 | comment | added | Jean-François Fabre Mod | whoever downvoted the question can see the downvoting backfired into heavy upvoting. That's why sometimes it's best not to add to downvotes, specially if there are already a lot of downvotes. That said, I think I could have answered the question & I didn't invent that, so the question is probably some kind of duplicate. | |
Jan 12, 2018 at 13:06 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Active reading. [ <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nevertheless#Adverb>].
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Jan 12, 2018 at 9:07 | answer | added | Lundin | timeline score: 3 | |
Jan 12, 2018 at 8:39 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | Regarding the example: Why questions are always a bit problematic unless the question motivates sufficiently well why it should not be so as it is. | |
Jan 12, 2018 at 8:02 | answer | added | Raedwald | timeline score: 3 | |
Jan 12, 2018 at 7:46 | comment | added | Joseph Beuys' Mum | People could just be more matur... wait, what am I saying?! Ignore me. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 19:54 | answer | added | Serge Ballesta | timeline score: 1 | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 19:17 | vote | accept | Serge Ballesta | ||
Jan 11, 2018 at 18:45 | comment | added | P.P | Re. edit "IMHO a question that gets 3 answers, all of which are correct and 2 of which show really interesting points cannot be so bad." - Non sequitur. Quality/correctness of answers can't determine the quality of the questions. In that case, SO community really don't need to have any sort of votes on questions: if a question receives decent answers, the question can automatically receive a certain percentage of up/down/close votes based on the quality of answers. I am astonished we are discussing the quality of that question which shows zero effort from OP and received 19 upvotes. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 15:59 | answer | added | Barry | timeline score: 14 | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 15:56 | comment | added | Servy | @SergeBallesta And yet the question doesn't even contain the error message that C generates, or an explanation of why that error message is unclear to them (or why it's unclear to them why that doesn't apply to C++, or whatever it is they don't understand). So they haven't demonstrated that they've done the first steps that would be expected of someone in that situation. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 15:52 | comment | added | Serge Ballesta | @P.P. Batsheba has added the language-lawyer tag. These kind of questions are ofter on corner cases that OP could not understand. This is not the same as I am too lazy to read the doc or debug my code... | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 15:47 | comment | added | Serge Ballesta | @MartinJames: StoryTellers's answer addresses it and explains that it is incorrect in both languages... | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 15:38 | history | edited | Serge Ballesta | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Add reference to @Batsheba's answer
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Jan 11, 2018 at 15:17 | comment | added | Servy | @user167921 1. No one said that a question should be closed because an edit changed the OP's intent. 2. You seem to be misunderstanding what the point of edits are. Changing someone else's question into a completely different question is not appropriate, even if the question is closed. 3. Why do you think that the edited question is more clear than the original here. It reads as less clear to me. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 15:17 | comment | added | Martin James | What about 'i+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++;', should we not have an explanation of that too? | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 14:54 | answer | added | Servy | timeline score: 11 | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 14:18 | comment | added | P.P |
The downvote tool-tip says The question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful. and the description contained all of Why does the operation "++++i" work in C++ and not in C . Despite the edit by another user, it largely remains the same. Besides, the OP "code_dragon" hasn't responded to comments at all. Trust me, I considered none of the "flame" reasons you mentioned when I close voted. I thought SO expected question-askers to put at least some effort into their questions...
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Jan 11, 2018 at 13:47 | answer | added | user167921 | timeline score: -7 | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 13:34 | comment | added | user167921 | I'm still not seeing why a good question should be closed just because it's different from the original question. You seem to be misunderstanding what the point of closure is. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 13:32 | comment | added | Passer By | @user167921 I wasn't. I came back after some time to find the question closed and edited. I'd also argue putting words in the poster's mouth isn't a good use of edits. It wasn't the question got polished, it got changed | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 13:29 | comment | added | user167921 | @PasserBy The point of editing a question is to get it out of a close-worthy state. If you are still closing a question after it was edited, you are using the feature wrong. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 13:16 | comment | added | Passer By | I was there close voting. I barely noticed the double tags, it made sense to have both. The problem for me was the question as originally asked really is unclear. The edited version have enough context (including the language lawyer tag), but arguably deviated from OP's intent. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 12:42 | comment | added | Gimby | "My opinion is that we have educated users to flame any question with both C and C++ tags just because they are different languages" that cannot ever be true, the prime directive of the site is to be nice so flaming cannot ever be part of any "education". This likely describes at least two problems; people having knee-jerk reactions and people having jerk reactions. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 12:32 | history | edited | Bathsheba | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
added 2 characters in body
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Jan 11, 2018 at 12:01 | history | edited | Glorfindel |
edited tags
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Jan 11, 2018 at 11:36 | comment | added | Bo Persson |
I didn't react to multiple tags, but saw "yet another multiple ++ question", and would probably initially have downvoted just for that, had it not been double digits already. The question is also not about a programming problem the OP has, or about something practically useful for the rest of us. We do have the more obvious x+=2; that we don't have to ask questions about.
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Jan 11, 2018 at 11:15 | history | edited | Serge Ballesta | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Include Objective-C
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Jan 11, 2018 at 11:03 | comment | added | PeterJ | It could be getting downvoted because it's another "what would this random code that no sane person would write do" that happens to be seen by twice as many people. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:55 | answer | added | StoryTeller - Unslander Monica | timeline score: 19 | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:51 | comment | added | George | @SergeBallesta I know. I was saying nobody cares/reads the wiki entries well so it wouldn't be very effective | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:51 | comment | added | Jongware |
Currently 33,034 questions tagged with [c] [c++] . (Possibly related: 16,552 questions tagged with [java] [javascript] )
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Jan 11, 2018 at 10:50 | comment | added | Serge Ballesta | @George: my remark is the opposite: some question do deserve both tags and still receive downvotes et abrasive comments | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:46 | comment | added | George | I'm afraid not to be able to propose anything to solve that beyond a remark on the tag wikis explaining what questions deserve both tags I doubt that would fix anything tbh as an angular developer the amount of questions tagged with both angularjs and angular is very high even though the wiki has the sentence Do NOT use this tag for Angular 2 or later versions; instead, use the [angular] tag. | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:45 | comment | added | Jongware | Add Objective-C to your list. "Is this C or C++ or Objective-c? Please pick one" | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:45 | comment | added | Mark Amery | The custom close reason that the question is about to be closed under - which is basically "unclear what you're asking" rewritten to be deliberately extra-disrespectful - is a nice extra cherry of objectionableness on top of the whole cake. Might as well have gone for "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because hurr durr the asker is a big stupidhead" | |
Jan 11, 2018 at 10:33 | history | asked | Serge Ballesta | CC BY-SA 3.0 |