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Well...no, we should not stop sending the message of, "Please improve" to OPs, but this is an issue that has struck a nerve with me as of late.

I allude to as much in a previous question about MCVEs in general, but I'll quote myself for brevity:

We pontificate so much about having executable examples that it's almost a scapegoat anymore to demand an MCVE from an otherwise perfectly answerable question. I've noticed it as a trend more and more to demand that the OP do even more work to ask their question when, in reality, it doesn't really need that; the code they present is understandable by anyone who is versed in the language, or complete enough that an answer can be cobbled together and be serviceable for what the OP is asking.

The main thing here is that we're on autopilot with this phrase now. You'll see this expression even if your question doesn't need an MCVE. Worse, there's not really much we can do about it; the moderators won't treat two or three "where's the MCVE" comments as noisy/unnecessary (since they don't see all three when one is flagged).

Realistically the only thing we can do is cut the noise out as best we can when engaging with the OP. As one who wishes to answer but still has ambiguity around the question, seek to ask for enlightenment into the problem in specific, and pointed (often armor-piercing) ways. Don't slip into the temptation to demand something that isn't necessary, but don't be surprised that an example may become necessary as more gets teased out from the OP.

Well...no, we should not stop sending the message of, "Please improve" to OPs, but this is an issue that has struck a nerve with me as of late.

I allude to as much in a previous question about MCVEs in general, but I'll quote myself for brevity:

We pontificate so much about having executable examples that it's almost a scapegoat anymore to demand an MCVE from an otherwise perfectly answerable question. I've noticed it as a trend more and more to demand that the OP do even more work to ask their question when, in reality, it doesn't really need that; the code they present is understandable by anyone who is versed in the language, or complete enough that an answer can be cobbled together and be serviceable for what the OP is asking.

The main thing here is that we're on autopilot with this phrase now. You'll see this expression even if your question doesn't need an MCVE. Worse, there's not really much we can do about it; the moderators won't treat two or three "where's the MCVE" comments as noisy/unnecessary (since they don't see all three when one is flagged).

Realistically the only thing we can do is cut the noise out as best we can when engaging with the OP. As one who wishes to answer but still has ambiguity around the question, seek to ask for enlightenment into the problem in specific, and pointed (often armor-piercing) ways. Don't slip into the temptation to demand something that isn't necessary, but don't be surprised that an example may become necessary as more gets teased out from the OP.

Well...no, we should not stop sending the message of, "Please improve" to OPs, but this is an issue that has struck a nerve with me as of late.

I allude to as much in a previous question about MCVEs in general, but I'll quote myself for brevity:

We pontificate so much about having executable examples that it's almost a scapegoat anymore to demand an MCVE from an otherwise perfectly answerable question. I've noticed it as a trend more and more to demand that the OP do even more work to ask their question when, in reality, it doesn't really need that; the code they present is understandable by anyone who is versed in the language, or complete enough that an answer can be cobbled together and be serviceable for what the OP is asking.

The main thing here is that we're on autopilot with this phrase now. You'll see this expression even if your question doesn't need an MCVE. Worse, there's not really much we can do about it; the moderators won't treat two or three "where's the MCVE" comments as noisy/unnecessary (since they don't see all three when one is flagged).

Realistically the only thing we can do is cut the noise out as best we can when engaging with the OP. As one who wishes to answer but still has ambiguity around the question, seek to ask for enlightenment into the problem in specific, and pointed (often armor-piercing) ways. Don't slip into the temptation to demand something that isn't necessary, but don't be surprised that an example may become necessary as more gets teased out from the OP.

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Well...no, we should not stop sending the message of, "Please improve" to OPs, but this is an issue that has struck a nerve with me as of late.

I allude to as much in a previous question about MCVEs in general, but I'll quote myself for brevity:

We pontificate so much about having executable examples that it's almost a scapegoat anymore to demand an MCVE from an otherwise perfectly answerable question. I've noticed it as a trend more and more to demand that the OP do even more work to ask their question when, in reality, it doesn't really need that; the code they present is understandable by anyone who is versed in the language, or complete enough that an answer can be cobbled together and be serviceable for what the OP is asking.

The main thing here is that we're on autopilot with this phrase now. You'll see this expression even if your question doesn't need an MCVE. Worse, there's not really much we can do about it; the moderators won't treat two or three "where's the MCVE" comments as noisy/unnecessary (since they don't see all three when one is flagged).

Realistically the only thing we can do is cut the noise out as best we can when engaging with the OP. As one who wishes to answer but still has ambiguity around the question, seek to ask for enlightenment into the problem in specific, and pointed (often armor-piercing) ways. Don't slip into the temptation to demand something that isn't necessary, but don't be surprised that an example may become necessary as more gets teased out from the OP.