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I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on anthe first affected contribution per user, explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Alternatively, something could be added into the edit message, so as not to inject too much meta-material in comment streams:

Fix case, improve grammar, trim urgent begging, re-para (serial-edited, please see https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/xxxxxx)

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Alternatively, something could be added into the edit message, so as not to inject too much meta-material in comment streams:

Fix case, improve grammar, trim urgent begging, re-para (serial-edited, please see https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/xxxxxx)

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on the first affected contribution per user, explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Alternatively, something could be added into the edit message, so as not to inject too much meta-material in comment streams:

Fix case, improve grammar, trim urgent begging, re-para (serial-edited, please see https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/xxxxxx)

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

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I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Alternatively, something could be added into the edit message, so as not to inject too much meta-material in comment streams:

Fix case, improve grammar, trim urgent begging, re-para (serial-edited, please see https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/xxxxxx)

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Alternatively, something could be added into the edit message, so as not to inject too much meta-material in comment streams:

Fix case, improve grammar, trim urgent begging, re-para (serial-edited, please see https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/xxxxxx)

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

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I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to this thememy question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of 1 or 2%<1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (and let'slet's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 98%99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely botheredtroubled about their posts being improved.

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to this theme.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of 1 or 2%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (and let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 98% of folks who don't seem to be remotely bothered about their posts being improved.

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

I am adding a self-answer here, in order to supply another possible solution. We have so far two helpful answers that recognise that it is possible to serial-edit in the best traditions of improving site content, but ultimately they both come down on the other side, which is that on balance, it may not fully resonate with our Be Nice policies. I appreciate the consideration those respondents have given to my question.

During the current lifespan of this question, there has also been some support for serial editing, and a number of additional advantages have been put forward. Firstly, this process can be used to detect the kinds of rollbacks that moderators would be interested in. Secondly, editing the same sorts of errors are much more efficient if they are done by a committed editor in a row.

In the comments, a number of previous similar posts have been found, here and here. On both occasions, the response was "serial editing is fine". Here, the majority opinion seems to be "it's not fine", so it would be interesting to introspect why the community seems to have swayed.

I have previously remarked that the number of people who are unhappy with my serial edits is very low - probably in the order of <1%. I am also of the view that not being able to serial edit is a net loss to the site, given its advantages. Thus, I propose the following as a potential best-practice (for 2K editor users only):

  • Create a bookmarked searched where an amount of serial editing would be more than, say, 10 items
  • Add a comment on an affected contribution explaining the clean-up (see below)
  • Start serial editing, taking care not to overload the front page
  • Desist if the user says they would rather not have their material edited
  • Only flag user responses to a mod if a behaviour in reply is totally out of line (i.e. ignore rollbacks as part of the editor's burden)

An example comment is as follows:

Hi there. There are a number of minor writing/composition errors in a selection of your posts, and editors here sometimes like to make some wholesale improvements, for the benefit of future readers. This process is generally supported by the community, but if you would rather I did not edit several of your posts, please let me know. For your convenience, there is no need to reply otherwise.

That's just a rough draft, and I think I'd like it to have a URL where we can point them to a related Meta discussion.

Now, I don't personally know if I am willing to make the effort to do that, given that it may end up being too onerous (let's not forget that editors are volunteers too). However, for the purposes of this post, let's say I am willing to give it a go, so as not to lose the benefits of the 99% of folks who don't seem to be remotely troubled about their posts being improved.

Is there any flaw with this? Feel free to vote accordingly.

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