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In case it was not already clear by my initial comment quoted below (the one that started all this), I want to reiterate that I am generally much appreciative of torazaburo's sense of humor, finding it quite similar to my own and therefore obviously of high quality (:-p), but more importantly, of his extremely high-quality contributions over the years to the main site.

This answer was something that I saw as an isolated case, a vent of pent-up frustration, with no underlying harm meant by it. Yet, I also saw it as something that could be badly misinterpreted, which would reflect poorly upon the poster as an individual and upon Stack Overflow as an institution of which he is a member in excellent standing. That is the real reason why I deleted it. Disagree with the action if you must; it was ultimately a gut call, like all moderation decisions, but I felt strongly at the time that I was making the correct one.

It would be a loss to all of us to lose him as a contributor, and I certainly don't wish to be the cause of that. At the same time, I don't like being threatened like this, and refuse to accept the blame for any sort of rage-quit. Any such decision is the sole responsibility of the actor who makes it, and clearly has causes/motivations beyond isolated events.

In case it was not already clear by my initial comment quoted below (the one that started all this), I want to reiterate that I am generally much appreciative of torazaburo's sense of humor, finding it quite similar to my own and therefore obviously of high quality (:-p), but more importantly, of his extremely high-quality contributions over the years to the main site. It would be a loss to all of us to lose him as a contributor, and I certainly don't wish to be the cause of that. At the same time, I don't like being threatened like this, and refuse to accept the blame for any sort of rage-quit. Any such decision is the sole responsibility of the actor who makes it, and clearly has causes/motivations beyond isolated events.

In case it was not already clear by my initial comment quoted below (the one that started all this), I want to reiterate that I am generally much appreciative of torazaburo's sense of humor, finding it quite similar to my own and therefore obviously of high quality (:-p), but more importantly, of his extremely high-quality contributions over the years to the main site.

This answer was something that I saw as an isolated case, a vent of pent-up frustration, with no underlying harm meant by it. Yet, I also saw it as something that could be badly misinterpreted, which would reflect poorly upon the poster as an individual and upon Stack Overflow as an institution of which he is a member in excellent standing. That is the real reason why I deleted it. Disagree with the action if you must; it was ultimately a gut call, like all moderation decisions, but I felt strongly at the time that I was making the correct one.

It would be a loss to all of us to lose him as a contributor, and I certainly don't wish to be the cause of that. At the same time, I don't like being threatened like this, and refuse to accept the blame for any sort of rage-quit. Any such decision is the sole responsibility of the actor who makes it, and clearly has causes/motivations beyond isolated events.

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I think everyone here knows that I am deeply committed to maintaining the quality of this website, both as a technical resource, but also as a civil, respectful place. It is why I nominated myself as a moderator, and I can only assume why so many of you placed your trust in me. Nothing has changed on that front. I believe that what makes Stack Overflow different is not only our focus on quality, but the way we achieve that: by elevating content above individuals. In no way do I want to suppress constructive efforts to improve the quality of the information on this website; in fact, quite the opposite. I support every venture to that end, and contribute to it in every way that I possibly can. By the same token, I feel that it is my responsibility as a moderator to enforce the "Be Nice" policy, not only so that the important messages are receivedget through, but also so that we don't degenerate into yet another elitist kingdom where only certain veterans are welcome. We have standards, and that's what makes us great, but standards and inclusivity are not at odds with one another.

I think everyone here knows that I am deeply committed to maintaining the quality of this website, both as a technical resource, but also as a civil, respectful place. It is why I nominated myself as a moderator, and I can only assume why so many of you placed your trust in me. Nothing has changed on that front. I believe that what makes Stack Overflow different is not only our focus on quality, but the way we achieve that: by elevating content above individuals. In no way do I want to suppress constructive efforts to improve the quality of the information on this website; in fact, quite the opposite. I support every venture to that end, and contribute to it in every way that I possibly can. By the same token, I feel that it is my responsibility as a moderator to enforce the "Be Nice" policy, not only so that the important messages are received, but also so that we don't degenerate into yet another elitist kingdom where only certain veterans are welcome. We have standards, and that's what makes us great, but standards and inclusivity are not at odds with one another.

I think everyone here knows that I am deeply committed to maintaining the quality of this website, both as a technical resource, but also as a civil, respectful place. It is why I nominated myself as a moderator, and I can only assume why so many of you placed your trust in me. Nothing has changed on that front. I believe that what makes Stack Overflow different is not only our focus on quality, but the way we achieve that: by elevating content above individuals. In no way do I want to suppress constructive efforts to improve the quality of the information on this website; in fact, quite the opposite. I support every venture to that end, and contribute to it in every way that I possibly can. By the same token, I feel that it is my responsibility as a moderator to enforce the "Be Nice" policy, not only so that the important messages get through, but also so that we don't degenerate into yet another elitist kingdom where only certain veterans are welcome. We have standards, and that's what makes us great, but standards and inclusivity are not at odds with one another.

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Update:

Following off of torazaburo's comment to Nicol Bolas's answer, I want to make clear that my intention was certainly to evoke the "Be Nice" rule as the reason for the deletion. I apologize if that was not clear from the comment that I left. I ran into the character limit, as always seems to happen for me. Some day I may learn to be concise yet expressive, but that day is not today.

The edit that Josh Caswell made was certainly a substantial improvement over the tone of the original post (as is ever the case with his edits), and addresses many of my concerns.

I've undeleted the answer now, because it no longer violates the "Be Nice" policy on its face, and the discussion here has served to convince me that there is a basis on which it can be reasonably considered an answer to the question. Personally, I'd like to see it fleshed out a bit more to make the relevant suggestion more obvious, but that's obviously not a reason to delete an answer.

Again, I apologize if my original comment was unclear. It was not my intention to cause anywhere near the confusion or hurt feelings that this seems to have evoked, and I remain quite puzzled about why it did. Answers that are non-constructive or irrelevant are regularly removed, and there is never any offense meant by that.

I am only just now looking back on this, because I was very upset by the sour course that this very Meta discussion took, with the rage-quit threats by torazaburo and the insults to my character by others. For the record, I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with moderation actions that I've taken, and it's perfectly valid to ask questions about them. I do, however, have a problem with people who assert things about my character, my willingness and/or interest in moderating fairly, and comments of that nature. I also find it very hard to step back and look at a situation objectively in circumstances where my character is being questioned, and/or someone is attempting to coerce me into taking a particular action by making threats.

For something that started over concerns about the non-constructive tone of a post, the direction that this meta-meta-discussion took is not only ironic, but also deeply troubling.

In case it was not already clear by my initial comment quoted below (the one that started all this), I want to reiterate that I am generally much appreciative of torazaburo's sense of humor, finding it quite similar to my own and therefore obviously of high quality (:-p), but more importantly, of his extremely high-quality contributions over the years to the main site. It would be a loss to all of us to lose him as a contributor, and I certainly don't wish to be the cause of that. At the same time, I don't like being threatened like this, and refuse to accept the blame for any sort of rage-quit. Any such decision is the sole responsibility of the actor who makes it, and clearly has causes/motivations beyond isolated events.

I think everyone here knows that I am deeply committed to maintaining the quality of this website, both as a technical resource, but also as a civil, respectful place. It is why I nominated myself as a moderator, and I can only assume why so many of you placed your trust in me. Nothing has changed on that front. I believe that what makes Stack Overflow different is not only our focus on quality, but the way we achieve that: by elevating content above individuals. In no way do I want to suppress constructive efforts to improve the quality of the information on this website; in fact, quite the opposite. I support every venture to that end, and contribute to it in every way that I possibly can. By the same token, I feel that it is my responsibility as a moderator to enforce the "Be Nice" policy, not only so that the important messages are received, but also so that we don't degenerate into yet another elitist kingdom where only certain veterans are welcome. We have standards, and that's what makes us great, but standards and inclusivity are not at odds with one another.


I deleted the answer for two reasons:

I deleted the answer for two reasons:

Update:

Following off of torazaburo's comment to Nicol Bolas's answer, I want to make clear that my intention was certainly to evoke the "Be Nice" rule as the reason for the deletion. I apologize if that was not clear from the comment that I left. I ran into the character limit, as always seems to happen for me. Some day I may learn to be concise yet expressive, but that day is not today.

The edit that Josh Caswell made was certainly a substantial improvement over the tone of the original post (as is ever the case with his edits), and addresses many of my concerns.

I've undeleted the answer now, because it no longer violates the "Be Nice" policy on its face, and the discussion here has served to convince me that there is a basis on which it can be reasonably considered an answer to the question. Personally, I'd like to see it fleshed out a bit more to make the relevant suggestion more obvious, but that's obviously not a reason to delete an answer.

Again, I apologize if my original comment was unclear. It was not my intention to cause anywhere near the confusion or hurt feelings that this seems to have evoked, and I remain quite puzzled about why it did. Answers that are non-constructive or irrelevant are regularly removed, and there is never any offense meant by that.

I am only just now looking back on this, because I was very upset by the sour course that this very Meta discussion took, with the rage-quit threats by torazaburo and the insults to my character by others. For the record, I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with moderation actions that I've taken, and it's perfectly valid to ask questions about them. I do, however, have a problem with people who assert things about my character, my willingness and/or interest in moderating fairly, and comments of that nature. I also find it very hard to step back and look at a situation objectively in circumstances where my character is being questioned, and/or someone is attempting to coerce me into taking a particular action by making threats.

For something that started over concerns about the non-constructive tone of a post, the direction that this meta-meta-discussion took is not only ironic, but also deeply troubling.

In case it was not already clear by my initial comment quoted below (the one that started all this), I want to reiterate that I am generally much appreciative of torazaburo's sense of humor, finding it quite similar to my own and therefore obviously of high quality (:-p), but more importantly, of his extremely high-quality contributions over the years to the main site. It would be a loss to all of us to lose him as a contributor, and I certainly don't wish to be the cause of that. At the same time, I don't like being threatened like this, and refuse to accept the blame for any sort of rage-quit. Any such decision is the sole responsibility of the actor who makes it, and clearly has causes/motivations beyond isolated events.

I think everyone here knows that I am deeply committed to maintaining the quality of this website, both as a technical resource, but also as a civil, respectful place. It is why I nominated myself as a moderator, and I can only assume why so many of you placed your trust in me. Nothing has changed on that front. I believe that what makes Stack Overflow different is not only our focus on quality, but the way we achieve that: by elevating content above individuals. In no way do I want to suppress constructive efforts to improve the quality of the information on this website; in fact, quite the opposite. I support every venture to that end, and contribute to it in every way that I possibly can. By the same token, I feel that it is my responsibility as a moderator to enforce the "Be Nice" policy, not only so that the important messages are received, but also so that we don't degenerate into yet another elitist kingdom where only certain veterans are welcome. We have standards, and that's what makes us great, but standards and inclusivity are not at odds with one another.


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