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Oct 18, 2017 at 17:10 comment added Servy @BradLarson Cody completely misjudged the situation, and posted a wildly inaccurate and inflammatory answer. In response to being informed that the post is inaccurate the response is to...do nothing except to say that the moderation action should stay despite the reasoning given for its deletion being completely wrong. One would expect that the inaccurate and highly inflammatory statements to be removed, and either the post be restored, or accurate reasons for its deletion be given.
Oct 18, 2017 at 17:07 comment added Your Common Sense @BradLarson if the situation is that bad, can I ask you to do me a favor? If you see a justified flag, could you just holler me a warning? I admit that sometimes I am going off the boundaries, but I can assure you I can listen when approached. It just have to be a voice of a human, not a lash of a bull's whip.
Oct 18, 2017 at 16:38 comment added yivi I insist that there is a world of difference between caring about “users opinions” and “@Oleg ‘s opinion”. Particularly if the comment was made in a context where it implied a particular opinion about a particular set of circumstance. Disagree away.
Oct 18, 2017 at 16:32 comment added Oleg @yivi I already admitted to that. Caring about how users perceive your decisions and be willing to listen to complaints and reconsider them is important. I do believe giving a flying cucumber about users opinions is a prerequisite for fair moderation so we're going to have to disagree on that.
Oct 18, 2017 at 16:24 comment added yivi "He doesn't care if I think what he did was fair" != "Doesn't care about moderating fairly". A bit of a stretch, isn't it? He can care moderate fairly without giving a flying cucumber about your opinion. Caring about what @Oleg thinks is not a prerequisite for fairly minded moderation.
Oct 18, 2017 at 16:21 comment added Oleg @BradLarson This is something he told me himself. To be precise he told me that he doesn't care if I think what he did was fair or not(this is about something else not YCS). Seeing how he allowed himself to misrepresent the current situation I allowed myself the same. From looking at some of his decisions I do believe that my assessment of him caring more about the outcome than about fairness is correct and I don't think this is a good way to moderate, users don't know what to expect in this case. If a mistake was made it needs to be fixed even if it's not really necessary.
Oct 18, 2017 at 16:09 comment added Brad Larson Mod @Oleg - "Don't care about moderating fairly" takes things too far. I've had respect for Cody's thoughtfulness for a long time, well before he became a moderator. Since then, he's demonstrated solid judgment, and you can read many of the detailed, well-thought-out arguments he's made for our actions on Meta. Your Common Sense is the most flagged user in the history of the site, and the only reason they are still allowed to participate is due to personal advocacy from SE employees. It is a challenge for any SO moderator to deal with them, given the years of abuse we've dealt with.
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:28 comment added Oleg Your answer paints a completely wrong picture, how about updating it after you realized you were wrong? Wouldn't restoring @YourCommonSense answer and deleting the later be fair? I know that you don't care about moderating fairly but maybe it's about time you start doing that?
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:19 comment added Your Common Sense @NicolBolas let's not go in circles
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:13 comment added Nicol Bolas @YourCommonSense: What did I falsely accuse you of? I accused you of putting it in the post, and putting it back when it was removed. And I explicitly noted that you did indeed remove it after that.
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:12 comment added Your Common Sense @NicolBolas see, I caught you on accusing me falsely, but you are making it my fault, not yours :) Talk about prejudice ;-P
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:11 comment added Nicol Bolas @YourCommonSense: "Your ability to follow it seems quite selective." And your persecution complex seems quite fully formed. I specifically noted that you did "eventually" remove it. That doesn't change the fact that you put it there, or that you put it back after it was removed.
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:08 comment added Your Common Sense @NicolBolas Fortunately, the answer's history still shows it was me who deleted it the last time, a hour before the mod suddenly took the idea to peek into the history. Your ability to follow it seems quite selective. Go on, being obsessed with the idea I am guilty, nothing would stop you from making other accusations.
Oct 18, 2017 at 15:01 comment added Nicol Bolas @YourCommonSense: 1: Neither was "This field obviously should be made non-required and could be left empty.", yet your OP seems to pretend that it was. 2: But you didn't remove it. Indeed, you put it back when it was removed by Cerbrus. Oh, you removed it eventually, but you clearly wanted it there. 3: Again, I don't agree with the "sarcasm" characterization, but the broad point that your tone was inappropriate? That I can agree with. Especially when you put the notation back.
Oct 18, 2017 at 14:59 comment added Your Common Sense @NicolBolas 1. It wasn't in the original post. 2. it was removed by the time the mod intervened. 3. In this post, my whole answer called sarcastic and this accusation is used to justify all the further slandering.
Oct 18, 2017 at 14:56 comment added Nicol Bolas @YourCommonSense: "What "sarcasm" you are talking about?" I wouldn't call it "sarcasm", but your H1-tagged "A note for the casual nitpickers:" was decidedly unnecessary and slightly aggressive. Cerbrus's initial comment about that did not warrant such a thing; simply saying that it would be an optional field would have been sufficient. And personally, the fact that you didn't mention your H1-tagged note in your OP here suggests that you know it was inappropriate, since you're trying to hide it. Fortunately, the answer's history still shows it and proves you were the one who added it.
Oct 18, 2017 at 14:47 comment added Cerbrus Let's not turn this into a "me vs you" thing. As far as I'm concerned, that was never a thing.
Oct 18, 2017 at 14:38 comment added Your Common Sense What is interesting, during my "history" of "nonconstructive behavior", I was never accused for being a blatant liar or likewise dishonest person, but you treated me such, simply dismissing my word when I said my intentions was honest. Talk about prejudice.
Oct 18, 2017 at 12:52 comment added Cerbrus Just a piece of advice: If you really think I'm trolling, flag my comments. Don't resort to name-calling.
Oct 18, 2017 at 12:28 comment added Your Common Sense @yivi I have a reason to call it trolling, and I'd love to provide it to a non-prejudiced audience
Oct 18, 2017 at 12:21 comment added Cody Gray Mod Yeah, I missed the timestamps. Sorry. It appears that the moderator initially involved put too much trust into the flagger, and then I into him. Given the unconstructive direction in which this has proceeded, however, I am quite disinclined to restore the answer.
Oct 18, 2017 at 12:21 comment added yivi @YourCommonSense, mixing up the post deletion with accusations of other users trolling you is what makes supporting you harder than it should. Yes, your post probably should not have been deleted. But Cerbrus didn't troll you, and ranting about this just detracts from your credibility.
Oct 18, 2017 at 12:19 comment added jscs Completely in support of the reasoning in your introduction, and glad to see you folks considering and shepherding things so carefully. But I think YCS is the victim of a misperceived situation here. It's certainly not a particularly detailed suggestion, but I have to stretch to read it sarcastically, and the timestamps do prove that it wasn't a response to Cerbrus, which seems to have been the main point against it.
Oct 18, 2017 at 11:30 comment added Your Common Sense WTF "Your motivation for writing the answer was pretty clearly an attempt to respond to Cerbrus's answer and continue"? I commented his post AFTER he came to troll me. AFTER, you hear? Stop repeating that lie.
Oct 18, 2017 at 11:29 comment added Your Common Sense I don't get your post. What "sarcasm" you are talking about? Can't you please be more specific, naming sentences or words that are considered "hostile, biting sarcasm, if not outright trolling" in the original post.
Oct 18, 2017 at 10:58 comment added Cerbrus Just to clarify: His answer was there (~30m) before mine. His "nitpicking" edit was in response to my comment asking about cases where there is no error message.
Oct 18, 2017 at 10:57 history edited Cody GrayMod CC BY-SA 3.0
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Oct 18, 2017 at 10:44 history answered Cody GrayMod CC BY-SA 3.0