Timeline for Does the HiQ vs. LinkedIn ruling influence SO's policy of prohibiting web scrapers?
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Oct 16, 2017 at 13:11 | comment | added | Servy | @TinyGiant Sure, so the question simply comes down to whether or not SE actually enforces its own rules. If it creates the rules but never actually does anything to enforce them, then maybe that's not a problem, but if it actually enforces them, then it would be in the same boat as Linkedin (whatever that boat ends up being, when the case ends). | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 23:06 | comment | added | user4639281 | The point being that Stack Overflow cannot prevent companies from viewing information that is otherwise viewable by the public. That doesn't say anything about the use of that information by said companies, which may or may not be able to be restricted through licensing or other means. | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 23:04 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Servy one thing that I find important to note here is the fact that LinkedIn was actively blocking HiQ, and that was the main point of contention. Stack Overflow has set "rules" for commercial use of the information, but as far as I know they aren't actively blocking anyone from viewing information that is publicly available. So, so long as Stack Overflow doesn't actively block companies that aren't following the rules but instead take legal action against such companies, they should be in the clear. IANAL. | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 4:00 | comment | added | John Bollinger | It's important to note that this is a preliminary injunction. When it was issued (August 14, 2017), the court had not yet ruled on the merits of the case, or in fact even heard the case. Its effect is limited to putting LinkedIn at risk of contempt of court in the event that they should fail to behave as ordered. Now, if HiQ ultimately wins the case then the final ruling will likely have implications for SE policy and procedures. What exactly those would be is something SE's counsel will need to consider. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:37 | comment | added | TylerH | @Servy I agree, hence the last paragraph of my answer | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:35 | comment | added | Servy | @TylerH So the starting place here is to consider what public personal information SE has. There's your username, all of the info in your user card, and the about me section of your profile. All of that is made readily available to anyone, and companies are not prohibited from using it in any way that they want. But the stuff on a jobs profile, developer story, etc. are not made as readily available, and SO's policy places restrictions on how people are allowed to use that information (non-commercial use). Those restrictions sound very similar to this case here. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:32 | comment | added | TylerH | @Servy That's true, and different aspects of Stack Overflow are probably subject to different considerations under the law; Jobs, like Developer Story, are separate products from the Q&A portion, so likely the same stipulation in my last paragraph would apply to Jobs. I've never used the API so I don't know what kind of data is excluded from it, but again this case was specifically about allowing HiQ the ability to scrape, not access via an API. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:27 | comment | added | Servy |
we don't come to Stack Overflow to sell ourselves People using the Jobs portion of the site are, and that's pretty integral to the issue at hand, since the jobs/dev story portion of the profile is precisely the content that SE states other organizations are limited in their ability to scrape. The non-jobs related stuff is all public personal stuff that SE includes in the API and has no restrictions on the use of.
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Oct 12, 2017 at 19:27 | comment | added | TylerH | @TemporalWolf Unfortunately that's more true than you might think... I have seen many instances where women have spoken out about harassment from men on LinkedIn, sending them inappropriate messages over the network's PM system. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:26 | comment | added | TylerH | @Braiam Maybe a transcription error in the court statement, or maybe they actually meant dates. One of the discussion points during the case was the concern that users might have date-specific information that could be accurate at a certain time and not accurate at a different time, and could be harmful to the user if that information were associated with them at an incorrect time. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:23 | comment | added | TemporalWolf | @Braiam You didn't know LinkedIn was the professional version of Tinder? | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:13 | comment | added | Braiam | It says "date mining"? | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 18:49 | history | answered | TylerH | CC BY-SA 3.0 |