Timeline for Request for reopening the room "Android Era with Kotlin and Java"
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Oct 13, 2017 at 20:08 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
OK, probably a different usage of "let".
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Oct 13, 2017 at 19:58 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Active reading [<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/altogether#Usage_notes>] - but more could be done, e.g. near "is not everything bad".
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Oct 13, 2017 at 12:41 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | Common guys if one plan not working than why not creating other plan. and show in your answer. @rekire. I know our RO can. And mod will show interest to open room :) | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 12:19 | comment | added | Magisch | @MukeshRana The "focussing more on keeping the room freezed" is because people are utterly inconvinced that you guys are capable of changing. And as is, from what I've read this room gives all of chat.SO a bad name. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 12:17 | comment | added | Magisch | @rekire this is meta, a public platform. Whether or not you're interested in Cerb's opinion has little effect. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 12:15 | comment | added | geisterfurz007 | Simple: Use the kick option to warn users. If you kick them 3 times, a mod will be consulted to deal with the situation automatically. That has never been done while I have been in the room as far as I remember | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 11:43 | comment | added | Mukesh Rana | @Cerbrus If you think suggesting/recommending solutions is "spoon-feeding", then you have been doing "spoon-feeding" in all your SO career so far by helping users to gain repo for your personal interest. C'mon man, we are not asking you to moderate the room, that have to do by the RO's in any case but you can at least come up with an idea how that can be done instead of taking interest in questioning about how RO's gonna implement that. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 11:28 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @MukeshRana: No, that's not called "help", that's called "spoon-feeding". | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 11:21 | comment | added | Mukesh Rana | I still wonder that instead of suggesting some good things regarding what can be done in future, People are focussing more on keeping the room freezed. If you are spending too much time on thinking and questioning us "what you gonna do in future to moderate such things", why don't you simply make use of that time in suggesting what can be done. Now that's called help, that's called cooperation and that I can't see here from people of SE. They call themselves a team but when it comes to getting their teammates out of a serious damage, they would rather take interest in blaming them. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 10:56 | comment | added | Cerbrus | As a room owner, you should just move those to a trash room. Those gifs don't stop you from moderating, they are your responsibility to clean up, as room owner. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 10:55 | comment | added | rekire | and the gifs stops me from moderation | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 10:54 | history | rollback | Cerbrus |
Rollback to Revision 9
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Oct 13, 2017 at 10:53 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @rekire: The problem isn't gifs. The problem is moderation. The fact that you insist on calling out a single user in a post meant to show us you guys are capable of being better shows that you are not. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 10:42 | history | rollback | rekire |
Rollback to Revision 8
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Oct 13, 2017 at 10:41 | comment | added | rekire | I also made a statistics regarding gifs: 3382 "gif"s hans 766 OakBot 679 Caprica Six 895 other 1042 I just send TWO gifs which says a lot about quality. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 10:41 | comment | added | rekire | I'm getting really sick when I see what you write here. tbh if you quote me you should also quote me when I'm saying what my faults are too: here. And my most importent thing I wrote: "In the end I still blame the gifs since that was the reason why I didn't kept the chat in a open window on a second screen. Since I was not interested in getting bad attention at my work when shitty blinking gifs where scrolling down continuesly on my screen." Yes I made faults, but just by allowing gifs! | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:58 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | TheLittleNaruto was in fact the first one to post those types of links in that format. At this point what all of the AE guys have to realize is that there's no point in continuously digging up the past. If you look deep enough you'll find that mostly everyone has posted something they shouldn't have at some point. But instead of saying "it's all his/her fault for the freeze happening" focus on the moderation that's going to happen in the future. Make sure this stuff doesn't happen again. That is what your plan is lacking | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:56 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | you blame it on users and things instead of trying to fix it. Sure, there's been kicks and room freezes in the past but they haven't been coordinated. The moderation efforts are sparse and most importantly inconsistent. And as Cerbrus said, the current plan blames a set of users and things instead of trying to improve what currently goes wrong in the room. ANd @Killer I'm not blaming that on poor moderation, that was a crappy decision on my end. But no one did anything to moderate that, and there were others who did the same (don't pin the blame for that on me alone. (2/3) | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:53 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | I agree with Cerbrus. There is a lot in the room that is worth preserving, but the plan is terrible. Blaming it on others (users/bots) isn't a good idea. And @Killer stop blaming people. Saying "it's not our fault, it's [insert person/thing here]" isn't going to save the room. So far me, hans, chew, tcat, ashu, bots and gifs have been blamed for all the stuff that's been going on in the room. rekire wrote this in chat and it is the same in point 2 where instead of saying "we have a problem to fix" ... (1/3) | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:37 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Guys, if anything, this calling out other users shows why the room should remain closed. This answer is supposed to be a plan to improve. You're setting a very bad example, here. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:27 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | lets close discussion and let the RO and MOD do their work :) and get our ROOM up. :) | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:26 | comment | added | Shubham AgaRwal | Let me close my discussion here. As I hope RO's can present a full future plan to reopen the room to the mods. And let the mods decide the outcome to make SE a better place. I just wanted to share the incident that occurred last month about Zoe's aka lunar watcher (my bad i didn't react on it at that time) which i already did | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:25 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | @Zoe it is my and only my opinion "everyone deserves a second chance". For this u can say anything to RO, can u please tell me where i wrote in my comment it is RO suggestion ? | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 9:19 | comment | added | Kappa | @Killer as it is clearly stated by mods , you should have some attention to the mods if anything goes wrong , but you had not. That's your mistake. Actually everyone is blaming on everyone. Mods are right here. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 8:59 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @AshuKumar you can predict the most likely future based on the past. Based on the past and now a second freeze as a result of bad moderation you can predict that the same trend will continue. Right now the ROs are fighting desperately to keep it alive and using the most basic arguments like "everyone deserves a second chance" and "that means every user said 'thank you' about 3.3 times". If the arguments had been better I'd agree the room should be reopened, but now it's a desperate cry for help and not a plan for the future | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 8:06 | history | edited | Cerbrus | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Piece of advice: Don't call out users in a plan to -improve- the room.
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Oct 13, 2017 at 7:51 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | that's what i m saying :). yup we will do and RO will surely come with better plan soon. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:49 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @AshuKumar: I'm not saying you can not get another chance.I'm saying that you need to work harder for a third chance. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:49 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | @Zoe dude, how can u say problem will follow in future u r neither GOD nor predictor, so why not ask RO what are you doing to make this ROOM clean this time ? or ask do u know ur fault or do u really want to make this ROOM open and if yes on which bases. I do not know what MOD are thinking. but MOD will think again. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:46 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | @Cerbrus yup i know, please read my message again, i also wrote, we will come up more and better idea and talk with MOD, while u r saying you can not, you must not get chance, i do not think by writing these kind of comment against some one will make you good member on SE or MOD. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:42 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | I agree with Cerbrus, especially when you failed on moderation once before. Not keeping the language in english was poor moderation on your end. Now is a different top-level problem but it all has a root in poor moderation. @AshuKumar the room has gotten its second chance already, now its frozen again for the essentially same root reason (poor moderation). There has to be huge changes for the room to be reopened, and even then there's the problem of following up on it | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:36 | comment | added | Cerbrus | My point is that this room has had issues before, regardless of what those were, calling on the "Everyone deserves a second chance" sentiment isn't going to help you. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:33 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | @Cerbrus langauge is not problem here. why not u ask MOD before sayng anything on comment ? i do not think u know why room is frozen :( stop making us down. i m not getting why MOD not giving comment on this. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:15 | comment | added | rekire | The english language is no topic anymore! | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:15 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Did you miss how Shog warned the room to stick to English, or be deleted? | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:09 | comment | added | rekire | @Cerbrus I would guess that there way no timeout at the time. Just a way to get attention. That were just 3 minutes. That does not count as a chance! However other languages where never a topic again. So we did our job. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:07 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @rekire: The room has been frozen before. Calling me a troll means you're clearly missing the point of my messages. I'm trying to explain why this answer isn't enough. I'm trying to make you guys understand what's wrong. But if you don't want my help, that's fine. Just don't call me a troll, that's silly. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:07 | comment | added | rekire | @JonClements Please correct me, but I see it like you might give us a chance if we have a plan and to make us more aware that we need to improve our work as RO. Can you confirm this theory? | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:05 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar |
@Zoe yup u r right. but saying Why should they get a third chance for basically poor moderation will not solve problem. and this problem is not limit to this room may be other room also faced this kind of problem - though i m not sure. there always a way to make thing correct. why not look for that path to make this room and make Record for other rooms owners
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Oct 13, 2017 at 7:04 | comment | added | rekire | @Cerbrus and zoe which third chance? When did we get the second chance??? Out of my view you both are trolling here. Still not sure why. However if and even if we get a second change I would ask to open the room not before monday. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:04 | comment | added | anon | @Cerbrus well done! You did good job so far. Now do you mind letting mod decide ? | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 7:02 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | @Cerbrus yup, from my very first comment, i m saying yes we need plan, a better plan to show MOD and if they are agree then ROOM will open again. and i m dead sure RO will come up with better plan and talk with MOD to get this room up. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:56 | comment | added | Cerbrus | "Everybody deserves a second chance." Yes, (almost) everybody does. However, to be given a third chance, isn't that common. Since the room has already shown to be unable to keep made promises and the room has already shown to be unable to moderate itself. This is why promises like "we'll be better" aren't enough. This is why they want a plan. Excuses like "bots make mistakes" and "we've been thanked a lot" only weaken your plan. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:43 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | They have already had a second chance; it's happened before. Why should they get a third chance for basically poor moderation? They didn't fix it last time, what makes you think now will be different? Things repeat themselves because things like this rarely change | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:40 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | like this gov. should give up and country must run my peoples ? is this u r saying. if someone did mistake and realize what is wrong they must get chance to correct their past deed. and who is in this world do not making mistake again ? even bots also do | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:36 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | reopening the room would once again make the room susceptible to the same things that got it closed in the first place. If they manage to fix that during the first weeks of the room, there's no guarantee they'll keep the moderation efforts up | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:28 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | @BoltClock if status are not considered as answer than why stats are considered as opportunity and achievement. our room performed well when room started since few weeks room had problem. i m agree MOD. it must do correct and RO must do something. closing ROOM is not going to anywhere. if mode need more reliable idea to make our room open, please talk wiith RO and if conversation does not end with any solution than MOD do what is necessary to make things good on SE. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:13 | comment | added | rekire | For myself I identified that I was less active just caused by the gifs. So they are the root of all evil out of my personal view. @AshuKumar the gallery is just temporally. It does not match to the idea of this chat room | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 6:05 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | the bad room management has been going on for a long time, it isn't something you can just turn over with the same base of ROs. They can try but it will inevitably fail. While they say they'll turn things around, the chances are very low for them to actually do it. They haven't in the past and they only think they need to change when the room is frozen? the room was frozen in the first place with good reason, the ROs can't moderate it. And if they can't now, why would they be able to in the future? | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 5:00 | comment | added | Ashu Kumar | RO will come up with better idea to maintain clean chat room and focus on on Topic conversation. before came up with decision you guys must considered past thing that our room did help many people and answer questions and my self and other RO did help. can not you come up with other idea which will make ROOM to be open? is not it possible ? | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 2:23 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | In my 15-odd years of participating in online forums and chat rooms, this is the first time someone has tried to provide those stats to justify their chat room not being so cancerous. "Look, we greet and thank each other all the time, that means our room is well-moderated!" Please, toxic people greet and thank each other all the time too. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 19:27 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Those stats that were added are fine, but meaningless in the context of moderating a chat room. How old a room is and how many visitors it got is completely irrelevant. The other counts at the bottom of the answer say nothing about the context of those words. What matters here is how you guys plan to moderate the room. Padding this answer with stats to make the room “look good” really won’t have the effect you may want it to have. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 18:20 | comment | added | Shubham AgaRwal | @rekire you can mention this too meta.stackoverflow.com/a/304059/2437655 This might be TLN's sama story so is mine and hope for many other. To add to this it's the top voted answer on a popular question. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 18:08 | history | edited | rekire | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Some more stats
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Oct 12, 2017 at 18:08 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | I have been in the chatroom since may, I have been there every single day (with few exceptions). What I saw in the time I was there was a lot of poor/non-existent moderating. What you got now is basically promises of a better future you can't keep. Now putting it in gallery mode may help you moderate it better, but that assumes you (the ROs) actually moderate the content. As already mentioned, I have been in that room for hours and before and while I was a RO, few of the other RO made any continuous efforts to moderate content. And a lot of the ROs weren't even there - at all. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 18:04 | history | edited | rekire | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Some stats
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Oct 12, 2017 at 17:56 | history | edited | user4639281 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Removed dangling footnote reference
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Oct 12, 2017 at 17:50 | history | edited | Clive | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Oct 12, 2017 at 17:42 | history | edited | rekire | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
something more
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Oct 12, 2017 at 17:38 | comment | added | rekire | @JonClements I extended the first action point to cover some more things. I don't like blaming, but in 2 I had to. Since I got some feedback from him which opened my eyes. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 17:31 | history | edited | rekire | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
My extensions
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Oct 12, 2017 at 17:17 | comment | added | berserk | @NathanOliver I agree. And I admit we went wrong there by being lenient to some users and not taking necessary action. And this is what we want too fix. Few ROs (including me) were a bit busy on their schedule from few weeks, but we will make sure to have active and strong ROs. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:41 | comment | added | NathanOliver | I have a question about point 2. Was it room regulars that were causing the problem or new people? If it is regulars then that is a culture problem gallery mod doesn't really fix that (except you can perma-ban someone). If the culture needs to be fixed you need strong RO's that will speak up when the line is crossed and not afraid to kick people to reinforce the point that bad behavior is not tolerated. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:36 | comment | added | berserk | @JonClements I know its unfortunate. But we gonna fix it. We have some things in our mind regarding moderation. 1. Adding more active users as ROs and removing inactive ones. 2. Maintaining coordination between ROs by notifying each other about unusual activities. 3. Taking strict action against toxic users by revoking their access from the room (since we gonna make the room Gallery). 4. In case we face some issue, we will discuss on it together and take measures to prevent it. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:33 | history | edited | TheFlash | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Oct 12, 2017 at 16:14 | comment | added | Jon Clements Mod | The key point here is "1" - you haven't in the past - and that remains my concern. It's frustrating that someone has to point out to you that it's necessary to do so... (and not just once) | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:06 | comment | added | Shubham AgaRwal | for 4 only RO's can answer that i am sure there will be a solution to it. I request RO's @jon, you and other mods to contribute to positively to counteract with the problems. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:03 | comment | added | Shubham AgaRwal | for 3: we can put some restriction by setting up rules and regulation for the group so that the same situation we have today could not arise again. ps they are my sole reviews i hope RO's will figure out something better | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:02 | comment | added | berserk | @Cerbrus for 3, by restricting users from off-topic chat, especially when people are discussing on-topic things. We already prevented bot spams before, especially when users are having on-topic discussions. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 16:01 | comment | added | Shubham AgaRwal | for 1 : we can make RO to those who are most active, fair and experienced at the same time. + different time zones so that people who are guilty can be identified and access should be taken immediately ps i am just a regular member no RO | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 15:59 | comment | added | Cerbrus | 1 & 3: how? 4: What else can you do before using mod flags? I think you can improve your plan by updating this answer a bit. | |
Oct 12, 2017 at 15:57 | history | answered | anon | CC BY-SA 3.0 |