Timeline for Can we incorporate what idownvotedbecau.se is trying to do?
Current License: CC BY-SA 3.0
46 events
when toggle format | what | by | license | comment | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Nov 6, 2017 at 13:10 | review | Close votes | |||
Nov 6, 2017 at 14:03 | |||||
Nov 6, 2017 at 13:08 | comment | added | Raedwald | Duplicate of new FAQ meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436/… | |
Nov 6, 2017 at 12:57 | comment | added | Raedwald | Just because someone set up a website changes nothing. This kind of thing has been discussed several times before. | |
Nov 6, 2017 at 12:55 | comment | added | Raedwald | Possible duplicate of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253531/… | |
Nov 6, 2017 at 12:53 | comment | added | Raedwald | Possible duplicate of Am I still supposed to explain my downvotes or not? | |
Nov 5, 2017 at 0:13 | answer | added | flurbius | timeline score: -4 | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 1:18 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | FWIW, my current policy: comment first, and only downvote if the poster doesn't respond adequately after a suitable time interval. Unless the post is an unsalvageable mess, in which case I just downvote, with a possible return to del-vote. On clueless newbie questions that are potentially fixable, I tend to say "You're probably getting those downvotes because of (whatever)". But of course newbies can't revenge downvote, so they're safe targets. ;) | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 1:15 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | I'm not sure about this. Perhaps Kevin B's suggestion of it needing a consensus of a few people selecting the same comment could work, but I'm still uncomfortable about the idea of anonymous comments. I think they'd be more likely to invoke resentment than to invoke a constructive response. | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 1:03 | comment | added | Oleg | @m69 You followed your sentence claiming it's a nonexistent problem by offering 3 solutions ;). | |
Oct 14, 2017 at 0:43 | comment | added | m69 ''snarky and unwelcoming'' | I downvoted this question, because I think it tries to fix a problem that isn't really there. If you're that worried about revenge downvoting, then just leave either a comment or a downvote. Or both, but with some time between them so they can't be connected. Or stop worrying so much. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 23:03 | answer | added | Jon EricsonStaff | timeline score: 13 | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 15:35 | comment | added | Ethan Field | I think that this is a fantastic idea so long as it is optional and the reasons are only visible to the OP. | |
Oct 13, 2017 at 13:57 | answer | added | TylerH | timeline score: 9 | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 21:29 | answer | added | Sam Hazleton | timeline score: 8 | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 21:00 | history | edited | jscs | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Link directly to quoted material.
|
Oct 11, 2017 at 20:07 | answer | added | AndyMod | timeline score: 7 | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 19:22 | comment | added | Kevin B | A comment with suggestions or a request for clarification will be far more useful than a canned downvote reason. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 19:06 | comment | added | Kevin B | That's my whole point though. "the only means to provide a directed reason for a downvote is in the comments" is in an of itself incorrect. If the question is low quality, poorly researched, unclear, etc, downvote it. If you want to help the user improve their question, post a comment suggesting how they can. They are two separate non-related actions. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 19:04 | comment | added | zero298 | @KevinB Right now, the only vehicle to bind a reason to a downvote is comments. Giving a reason for a downvote shouldn't be mandatory. Commenting on a question because you downvoted shouldn't be mandatory. Your downvote should always be anonymous. It doesn't matter if this is a problem caused by people misusing comments, because as of right now, the only means to provide a directed reason for a downvote is in the comments. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:58 | comment | added | Kevin B | This is a solution to a problem that is caused by people misusing comments. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:43 | comment | added | Kevin B | they should simply stop tying the downvote to their comments. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:40 | answer | added | Kevin B | timeline score: -5 | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:40 | comment | added | zero298 | @KevinB You could consider it very similar, but a big point is that users are now trying to find their own way to deliver canned responses through link macros without Stack Overflow actually implementing the desired feature. Additionally, the comment is optional and should be anonymous. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:36 | comment | added | Kevin B | In what way is this not just another variation of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436/…? | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:22 | comment | added | zero298 | @JoshCaswell That quote block is a quote from one of the linked questions. I rolled it back, but if you want to remove it again, I'll leave it. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 18:22 | history | rollback | zero298 |
Rollback to Revision 1
|
|
Oct 11, 2017 at 17:31 | history | edited | jscs | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Remove unnecessary quote markup.
|
Oct 11, 2017 at 17:27 | comment | added | jscs | See Am I still supposed to explain my downvotes? and note that it's possible that the comments' targets may not be quite as keen on them as the commenters. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 17:05 | answer | added | Scott Mermelstein | timeline score: -9 | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 16:42 | comment | added | zero298 | @mbrig I can understand the arguing, but I feel like the arguing would stem from having someone to argue with. If it's the site telling them, "You're receiving downvotes indicating that you are not blah blahing", rather than an individual user, then who can they argue with? They can still argue back in the comments, but they can't argue with an individual user. I'd like to see that shog post though. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 16:38 | comment | added | mbrig | There's a shog9 post somewhere on meta where they talk about their (and others) observation's that giving a reason for a downvote actually seems to get worse results because people just argue with the reason instead of fixing their question. I saw it just the other day, I'll try to hunt it down when I have some time. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 16:22 | answer | added | Script47 | timeline score: -29 | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 16:22 | comment | added | E_net4 | I find it a nice idea, but I wonder how a user's behaviour might change just by observing that their reasons to downvote are not listed. The current reasons are third-party, but once such a list is made official, even when feedback is optional, can it be misinterpreted as an authoritative, exclusive list of reasons to downvote? | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 16:06 | comment | added | user1228 | I'm glad you think it's a worthwhile site. If you have ideas for additional topics, dropping an issue would be appreciated. I know it's currently lacking anything concerning why answers get downvoted... | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:35 | comment | added | Kevin B | Would the message be provided to the user only when there's a consensus of 2-3 or more users downvoting with the same anonymous reason? or would the OP's be open to being trolled by users picking bogus reasons | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:31 | comment | added | Kevin B | personally, i'm against this because I don't downvote to provide clarification and reasoning to the poster. I leave comments for that purpose. Not to explain my downvote, but to ask for clarification or to request improvement. Telling the user I don't think their question is useful or they didn't do enough research isn't anywhere near as useful to the user as a standalone link to the docs proving said failed research, or a comment asking for a more simplified example. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:30 | comment | added | yivi | I don't see it used very often, and I dislike that it seems to encourage non-anonymous vote explanation, IMO. But I did like the original proposal. It should be anonymous as votes, but feedback only visible to the asker. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:28 | comment | added | zero298 | @KevinB It's recent, but I figured we should get ahead of it now. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:27 | comment | added | Martin James | @KevinB it's fairly recent, yes. C, C++, PHP, Android - the usual suspects. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:25 | comment | added | Martin James | Often, for instance, the downvote reason would not be in the list and under the 'Be nice' policy, could never be. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:25 | comment | added | Kevin B | i've never seen this used... and i visit a lot of closeworthy/downvote worthy posts. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:20 | comment | added | Martin James | If it's optional, OK, I don't have an objection to it apart from the effort involved vs. reward issues. By 'optional' here, I mean a profile checkbox/flag that prevents the list from popping up at all, and so preserves the current 'One click downvote', it that is what the user prefers. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:20 | comment | added | Hans Passant | This was tried before, it did not work out well. Search for "what stack overflow is not". | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:10 | comment | added | yivi | I really liked the original proposal, and despite the very valid observations from Shog9 in that post and others elsewhere about the actual need and usefulness of comments vs. "just the votes" in improving posts, would like to have a feature like this. Again, very much optional, completely anonymous (and without a "custom" box, so there is no need to moderate any feedback) | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:07 | comment | added | Cerbrus | This I like. Anonymous optional feedback that can actually help new users improve their answer. | |
Oct 11, 2017 at 15:02 | history | asked | zero298 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |