Timeline for Is defending and creating low-quality content a (disturbing) trend with high-rep users?
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Sep 16, 2017 at 6:44 | comment | added | piojo | @NathanTuggy Beyond my own questions/comments, I'd be interested in picking ten commented answers at random and seeing whether all the comments could be incorporated into the answer without loss of readability. If not, the stackoverflow philosophy about comments is overly optimistic/naive. | |
Sep 16, 2017 at 6:19 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @piojo: One could make an argument that there are useful comments that are extremely difficult to helpfully incorporate into an answer, yes. (Although if necessity demands, writing up two answers with different approaches, one very concise, and one very thorough, would be a fairly reasonable compromise.) But this particular example seems to be exceptionally easy. | |
Sep 16, 2017 at 5:57 | comment | added | piojo | @NathanTuggy I'm open to accepting that philosophy of comments, but is it empirically valid or does it work only in theory? Based on past internet search results that have brought me to old stackoverflow answers, there is usually information in comments. I'm not sure whether it could all be artfully incorporated into the answers, but that I suspect writing the canonically complete answer is at odds with the equally valid goal of reasonable brevity. I'll keep this philosophy in mind as I read future answers and comments, though. | |
Sep 16, 2017 at 4:23 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @piojo: That helpful comment you mention as an example of how good comments can be? That is a perfect example of precisely the sort of comment that should be deleted as soon as possible! But, of course, not without first incorporating the useful tip into the actual answer. Most lastingly helpful comments are really just proto-edits that haven't been framed quite right, or need to be accepted by the original author, or the like. Once they're properly handled by being converted into an edit, they are no longer necessary and should be deleted. | |
Sep 16, 2017 at 4:15 | comment | added | piojo | @TinyGiant However, the premise that comments cannot be informative and useful in and of themselves is misguided. Comments serve the purpose of letting viewers see what popular sentiment is about a solution, and what its shortcomings are. A commenter replied to an answer of mine: "by the way, if you set the capacity smaller it will throw an exception". I would hate to see that note of caution ever disappear from the space below my answer! | |
Sep 16, 2017 at 4:12 | comment | added | piojo | @TinyGiant All that is reasonable. The scenario was just fishy. He commented to say "I'm deleting my comments to clean up the thread", and the next day my suggestions were gone (the point he addressed as well as the points he said he didn't want to discuss). From the outside, it sure looked as though a high-rep user was censoring feedback. | |
Sep 16, 2017 at 0:49 | comment | added | user4639281 | @piojo if someone doesn't feel that your criticism is valid, they don't have to do anything. If they feel it is irrelevant, it is completely appropriate for them to flag said comments for removal. If the moderator agrees that the comment is irrelevant or not needed, they will delete it. You should never expect comments to exist for any period of time. If you have a better/more correct/whatever answer, post it yourself and move on. | |
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:30 | comment | added | piojo | @CodyGray The scenarios you mentioned don't cover the actual situation, which was constructive criticism which the author said he didn't want to discuss. If that's how I publicly responded to feedback, I would certainly want to make the conversation disappear, but perhaps the high-rep user was simply doing as you said, unaware he was censoring criticism he didn't like. | |
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:18 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Because comments don't make or break anyone's image, any more than the post-it notes left on your desk. If the comments led to an improvement in the answer, then they are obsolete and should be deleted. If they're just pointless bickering that never leads to a conclusion or agreement, then they should probably be deleted. | |
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:15 | comment | added | piojo | @CodyGray Gotcha. Then I think the high-rep user must have deleted his comments, flagged my comments, and the moderator must have mistakenly thought the criticism had been addressed. As for making the solution better, I respect the sanctity of authorship enough not to change people's code against their wishes. Finally, I don't know why you believe it isn't image cultivation if someone tricks moderators into deleting criticism of their post. | |
Sep 15, 2017 at 6:53 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | You can't delete other people's comments. You can, however, flag comments for a moderator to delete. Comments are not intended for extended discussion. If the comments provided insight on how the solution could have been better, then you should have made the solution better, which would make the comments obsolete and deleted. None of this has anything to do with "image cultivation", and I'm just not sure why you're going on about that. | |
Sep 15, 2017 at 3:58 | history | answered | piojo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |