Timeline for What should be done about offensive posts flagged as spam? [duplicate]
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Dec 18, 2018 at 9:30 | vote | accept | Nick is tired | ||
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Sep 8, 2017 at 8:09 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @CodyGray because this is a feature request, the last was a discussion | |
Sep 8, 2017 at 5:17 | history | closed | Cody GrayMod discussion Users with the discussion badge or a synonym can single-handedly close discussion questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed. | Duplicate of Should this audit be removed? [duplicate] | |
Sep 8, 2017 at 5:17 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Ugh. Chameleon questions are just as bad on Meta as they are on the main site. If you want to totally change your question after you've posted it and attracted discussion, then you should probably post a new question. Also, with the new focus, it's unclear to me how this is materially different from your last discussion on the same topic, using the same example. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 21:02 | answer | added | Shog9Mod | timeline score: 4 | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:56 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 16:17 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Makoto There, I've removed all reference to spam from the question | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:17 | history | edited | Nick is tired | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 16:14 | comment | added | Makoto | @NickA: Yes. Pick one. It will make its way into the incinerator. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:13 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Makoto I'm not saying it is wrong, it is an appropriate flag, I'm asking what's worse, spam or abusive content? | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:12 | comment | added | Makoto | @NickA: That doesn't mean that the action taken was wrong. Additionally I think it makes for one of the best audits out there; if you somehow think that a link to a porn site (and you really don't have to click it) makes for an on-topic question, you have no right to review anything. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:09 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @CodyGray updated title and question again | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:08 | history | edited | Nick is tired | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 16:04 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @CodyGray because spam flags don't necessarily remove the garbage, they can make them audits. Offensive flags will always remove the content, and offensive content should not be in audits | |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 16:02 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Regarding the new title, I think spam was a perfectly valid flag for the question in question. It contained a spammy link to an external site. Now, it just so happens that it was a spammy link to NSFW content, but that just means it fits both "spam" and "rude/abusive" criteria. And castigating people for not properly imposing a salience ranking on these two flags is absurd. The important thing is to get garbage flagged with a reasonably accurate flag so it can be removed. The real problem here is that we are now dissecting that garbage, months later. I'm straining to see why. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 16:01 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy perhaps, but I'd say that the rude or offensive flag takes precedence if it is also appropriate | |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 15:59 | comment | added | Servy | The post is spam. It meets the criteria for it in every respect. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:58 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy alright, I've steered the question differently | |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 15:55 | comment | added | Servy | @NickA And even if SO was 100% perfect at keeping content that you find offensive out of audits, the whole point of the queue itself is to specifically identify bad content in actual posts. You're going to see plenty of non-audit posts that are spam or offensive, that will require you to mark them as such. If you're unwilling to sift through posts trying to identify good and bad content, but it's unacceptable to you to come across bad content, then don't volunteer to sift through content and find the bad stuff. The people doing it realize that they will occasionally see bad content. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:55 | history | edited | Nick is tired | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 15:52 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy and yet it doesn't say it in the SE queue where spam can be introduced, and even if not the case of adding a warning, this shouldn't have been an audit as it falls under "A reasonable person would find this content inappropriate for respectful discourse." | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:49 | history | edited | Nick is tired | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 15:48 | comment | added | Servy | @NickA It says that you're evaluating posts. You're evaluating them because they might be problematic, among the particularly problematic types of posts are spam or offensive content. Additionally if you look at the full description of the Triage queue it mentions, among other things, identifying spam. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:46 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy The job description is "Evaluating new posts, Voting to close or reopen questions and Reviewing suggested edits". In no way does it say that there could be content people may find offensive | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:44 | comment | added | Servy | @NickA The goal of the queue is for people to find bad content and indicate that it's bad. You're going to see spam and offensive content if you review items in the queue. Your primary goal in most of the queues (including that one) is to identify spam and offensive posts so that others don't need to deal with it. That you're going to come across offensive posts is part of the job description. If someone is surprised to see spam in the queue then they shouldn't even be in the queue in the first place. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:42 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy No, I'm saying there should be a warning for posts like the above and this as offensive posts can slip through the net. I'm not even suggesting that a warning appears every time you enter the queue but at least the first time. As it stands there is no indication of the sort of content that may be seen in review, and for those that have only seen the good side of SO it may come as a surprise, and hence forth put them off review if easily offended | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:42 | comment | added | Jon Clements Mod | @Servy I don't know... might get more people interested in reviewing if we tempt them with "fr33 pr0n links" may be found! :p | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:41 | comment | added | Servy | @CodyGray The main reason why not is you're just wasting people's time... | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:41 | comment | added | Servy | @NickA So now we're to a point where we're worrying about something that no one has ever actually seen even a single instance of it happening, and to prevent this mythical situation you're suggesting that we inform people that in the queue where they're going to spend their time looking for spam to remove they might end up coming across some spam. This all seems rather unnecessary... | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:40 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Oh…um, I think everyone already knows you're going to be reviewing garbage, so a warning seems superfluous, but sure, why not? | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:39 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @CodyGray I'm not asking for detection of individual posts, but a warning prior to entering the queue | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:39 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | If we had sufficient AI to detect when a post's content was NSFW, we wouldn't need the review queues at all. We'd just block that content from coming in in the first place. I'm not really sure what you're proposing here. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:38 | comment | added | Jon Clements Mod | Yeah... that post got 5 spam flags and 1 rude... | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:38 | comment | added | Servy | @KevinB The feature would just be a warning that everyone always see before entering the queue, so no person would need to indicate anything. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:37 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @rene perhaps not, but that's not what I'm asking about, I'm asking about all NSFW content | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:36 | comment | added | Kevin B | i mean... who would be the person that indicates that it is NSFW for such a feature to work? | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:35 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @NathanOliver arguably the link in this post should've been marked as offensive rather than spam, and according to animuson's answer to an older post of mine offensive posts should not be in audits. | |
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Sep 7, 2017 at 15:34 | comment | added | Servy | @NathanOliver Presumably the warning would be before even entering the queue that some number of items will be NSFW, not on an individual item. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:33 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy admittedly, no, but there is always a chance | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:33 | comment | added | NathanOliver | I think the warning would kind of defeat the purpose of the audit. I always though that it was understood you may see bad content in the review queues. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:33 | comment | added | Servy | Have you ever been in the situation where you needed to click on a spam link to review a post? I know I haven't, and I've reviewed quite a lot of spam posts. | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:32 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Servy not this one in particular no | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:32 | comment | added | Servy | Do you actually need to click that link to review that item? | |
Sep 7, 2017 at 15:31 | history | asked | Nick is tired | CC BY-SA 3.0 |