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Sep 8, 2017 at 20:41 comment added Braiam @EpicKip "useless" comment is rude, or else we shouldn't flag them, right? See. Useless is not a useful metric to evaluate edits.
Sep 8, 2017 at 9:41 comment added EpicKip @Braiam useless formatting is vandalism, or else it would not be useless.
Sep 8, 2017 at 4:23 comment added Braiam @CodyGray no, he flagged for "useless formatting edits". That's the very title of this meta question. The text of the flag goes in the same vein. if the text instead reads "The edits of this user has been hurting readability as seen on [link] and [link]. He has ignored reaching out in [link to comment] and continue to do so." it would be a valid moderator flag and one that anyone would be hard pressed to decline (given that evidence is factual).
Sep 8, 2017 at 3:38 comment added Cody Gray Mod Uhh…everything after the first bolded phrase. You said he didn't flag for vandalism or hurting readability. It sounds to me like he did. I consider setting random words in bold and/or as code to be vandalism because it decreases readability.
Sep 7, 2017 at 19:03 comment added Braiam @CodyGray when in the world I imply that "specifically the implication Lundin's flag was not for a user that was consistently making edits that hurt readability"?
Sep 6, 2017 at 12:07 comment added Cody Gray Mod Furthermore, I have "investigating this situation" on my to-do list, and an answer of my own will be forthcoming (dealing specifically with Lundin's flag, not generic advice) when that happens, unless another moderator does so first. Been pretty busy today, and currently still working through 100+ inbox notifications... :-)
Sep 6, 2017 at 12:06 comment added Cody Gray Mod @Christian What Braiam already said. I was just disagreeing with what he posted in comments here, not with the answer itself. I agree with the first line of this answer, that you shouldn't flag users for making "useless" edits, and I generally agree with Braiam that there isn't really such thing as "too minor". If an edit makes a post even slightly better, then it should generally be approved. The part I kinda disagree with comes a bit further down; specifically the implication Lundin's flag was not for a user that was consistently making edits that hurt readability, thus introducing harm.
Sep 6, 2017 at 11:44 comment added Braiam @yivi I'm being plenty respectful. I'm not calling your mother nor I've made a personal issue with anyone. If anything, I'm refuting the moronic argument that everything and anything should be escalated to moderators, which isn't being disrespectful, just calling ideas by what they are, considering that moderators are exception handlers, that you should call upon only when you are unable to deal with a situation.
Sep 6, 2017 at 10:27 comment added yivi Still, passing moderators have disagreed on being "bothered" with this, the consensus is, apparently, firmly against your POV, and I for one don't care for your tone and manner. There is no need for this level of vehemence and language. Please, try to be more respectful of your peers.
Sep 6, 2017 at 10:26 comment added yivi I think you are replying to a comment I had to delete, since your original comment with numerous question marks was lacking details. You've updated it since, making my other comment obsolete.
Sep 6, 2017 at 10:22 comment added Braiam @yivi then stop trying to sound like you do. You don't even understand the main point of my answer, yet keep telling users what should be interpreted.
Sep 6, 2017 at 10:19 comment added Braiam @yivi What the heck are you reading?????? You don't even read the freaking first line!? I do not care about that edit. I take an issue with OP using "useless edits" as reason to bother moderators.
Sep 6, 2017 at 8:44 comment added yivi @Repmat There is no "downvote hell". Simply most of the the community that passed through disagreed with this answer's point of view. Voting is different in meta. The rational for treating minor edits that require approval differently than more significant edits (or edits that do not require approval) has been explained several times in this thread, in the question thread, and in elsewhere in meta.
Sep 6, 2017 at 8:31 comment added Repmat This answer is right on the mark. I do not understand the 'downvote hell' here? It makes no sense to group edits by their size, either they add value (however small) or they don't. Reject the ones which does not add value.
Sep 6, 2017 at 8:04 comment added cs95 I didn't like how you were shouting in your post so I took the liberty of formatting it. Ironic, isn't it?
Sep 6, 2017 at 8:04 history edited cs95 CC BY-SA 3.0
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Sep 5, 2017 at 23:12 comment added Braiam @ChristianGollhardt because it's not an answer to the complain on the OP, but towards the argument I'm presenting.
Sep 5, 2017 at 23:08 comment added Christian Gollhardt Your comment looks like an answer. Why it is not? @CodyGray
Sep 5, 2017 at 20:56 comment added Nathan Tuggy @user000001: There's a reject reason for edits that don't improve anything. Thus it is codified that useless edits are bad edits and should be rejected.
Sep 5, 2017 at 18:29 comment added yivi @user000001, if they are useless and require resources to deal with them, they are bad. They cost something and we get nothing, since we've already stablished that they are useless.
Sep 5, 2017 at 18:28 comment added user000001 @yivi not always, they can be neutral, indifferent and many things other than bad.
Sep 5, 2017 at 18:13 comment added yivi Are you seriously defending that useless edits are not bad edits?
Sep 5, 2017 at 16:45 comment added Braiam @yivi [citation needed]
Sep 5, 2017 at 15:55 comment added yivi @user000001 Useless edits that require approval are bad edits.
Sep 5, 2017 at 15:53 comment added user000001 @CodyGray but the title of this question talks about useless edits, not bad edits. The latter should of course be flagged, but is even the first category of edits flag-worthy?
Sep 5, 2017 at 15:50 comment added Braiam @CodyGray you don't even understand my claim, how can you disagree with it?
Sep 5, 2017 at 14:40 comment added Cody Gray Mod I didn't look. I wasn't the moderator who processed that flag. The point is, this is the type of thing a moderator should look at, so I'm disagreeing with your claim that it is not.
Sep 5, 2017 at 14:34 comment added Braiam @CodyGray where did you saw evidence on the flag that OP raised that there were a reviewer/group of reviewer doing that? Where?
Sep 5, 2017 at 14:33 comment added Cody Gray Mod Rolling back the edits doesn't solve the problem at its root. People who consistently approve bad edits should be instructed and possibly banned from reviewing for a period of time. People who consistently suggest bad edits should be similarly instructed and banned from editing for a period of time. None of these are things that a normal user can do, which is exactly when a moderator steps in. I know you think all reviewers are clueless buffoons, but I still believe that a series of erroneous reviews is an exception.
Sep 5, 2017 at 14:30 comment added Braiam @CodyGray because it's not systemic. Remember the time when moderators were supposed to be exception handlers? What do kind of exception it is if the user can simply roll back the edits? And even then, nobody communicated with him until recently.
Sep 5, 2017 at 14:22 comment added Cody Gray Mod I'm having trouble thinking of issues that would be more pressing for a moderator than a user suggesting bad edits and people approving them. This causes damage all over the site that is very difficult and very disruptive to repair. It's a lot worse than a comment-posted-as-answer here or there. It's certainly a lot more pressing than a bunch of "no longer needed" flags on comments.
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:35 comment added Braiam @MartijnPieters why should a moderator care about that? Ain't more pressing issues than a user complaining about the other user for stuff they didn't like but aren't explicitly prohibited?
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:34 comment added Braiam Why the heck the commentary that explained quite clearly the difference between my previous answer and this one removed?
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:31 comment added Braiam @George why, mod as busy as they are, should do this when the user raising the flag which is more than capable to do the same?
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:31 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod Because you shouldn't flag users for doing "useless formatting edits". Citation needed. At best, that seems an overly broad misinterpretation.
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:26 comment added George @Braiam I believe mods are quite capable of going to a user's profile and looking at their edit activity, I would assume they'd do this even if you did link a few edits to make sure you're not just picking a few out.
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:26 comment added S.L. Barth is on codidact.com @Rob Braiam asked me to remove my comment, as they believed it was causing people to misinterpret their answer. A similiar thing has, in fact, happened to me as well. So I am sympathetic to this concern.
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:24 comment added Braiam @George and I believe that OP should provide evidence on his flag. Which again, this answer, main point, anyone?
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:23 comment added Braiam @Rob I think you answered yourself. It has a freakish big title that nobody can claim that didn't read.
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:23 comment added George Why I don't mind talking about the general in the comment I think this question would be better suited to an answer that addresses these specific edits, which in this case the "useless formatting edits" would fall under "hurting readability consistently". FYI the penultimate sentence is still phrased incorrectly.
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:20 comment added Rob @Braiam, how is this answer any different to the one you deleted a minute ago (other than some formatting differences within the last paragraph(s) and the bolded title)?
Sep 5, 2017 at 13:18 history answered Braiam CC BY-SA 3.0