Timeline for Why is reputation so awful for new people?
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Nov 2, 2017 at 21:53 | comment | added | CatsCauseTypos | "This is literally a non-problem, although it is a complaint that we get on a semi-regular basis." -- some folks might think that a repeated issue brought up specifically by the members of the community which it effects is actually a problem. But you know, they do say that admitting it's a problem is the hardest part | |
Sep 21, 2017 at 10:01 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Pretty sure the summary is the first paragraph. Feel free to suggest an abstract if you are so inspired. "Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte.", as Blaise Pascal would have said. | |
Sep 21, 2017 at 2:37 | comment | added | C8H10N4O2 | This very thorough answer would benefit from an executive summary | |
Sep 6, 2017 at 12:10 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Well, you can call it a "canard", but I believe it's 100% true. It might the difference between a user with 100k rep and one with 20k rep, but that difference doesn't matter as far as the system is concerned. You have all the privileges you're ever going to get once you reach 20k, and if you provide good answers to questions starting today, reaching 20k is still a very attainable goal. I don't think there's that much of a fight to get the good ones. Most of the questions I've answered in recent years have been unanswered when I found them, and my gun isn't particularly fast. | |
Sep 6, 2017 at 2:46 | comment | added | miken32 | I agree with everything you say, except dragging that old “it’s how everyone else got started” canard. It’s true, but a lot of high-rep users were active on the site in the early years when rules were looser. They continue to receive reputation for 8 year old questions (and their answers) that would be closed within minutes if they were posted today! Getting rep can be a lot tougher today – especially if you’re active in the PHP slums – but it’s a worthwhile endeavour. (Now, having read the comments, I realize I’m echoing what @PeterDuniho said above!) | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 7:57 | history | edited | Nathan Tuggy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 5, 2017 at 4:07 | comment | added | Peter Duniho | "We regularly have new users join that earn a bunch of reputation quickly by answering the low-hanging fruit of questions" -- I agree with most everything in this answer, except that this quoted statement glosses over one of the biggest problems on Stack Overflow: the deluge of duplicate questions, which new users are always rushing to answer specifically so they can up their reputation points quickly. Yes, if you look, there are some easy, not-yet-answered questions. But these are outnumbered by the vast quantity of bad questions (incl. dupes). New users have to fight to get the good ones | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:55 | comment | added | MattD | Fully agree that the "needing to be an expert" aspect is not an issue. I've built my paltry rep by learning a specific but popular framework, and finding questions I could answer based around that. You don't have to be an expert, but it can certainly help. That said, find a niche you can fill and have at it. | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:55 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Length of a comment thread is a pretty good heuristic for knowing when a question needs to be closed as "unclear" or lacking an MCVE. This isn't a tutorial site on asking questions, although there is a chat mentoring program going on for precisely that. | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:52 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Andrey Arguing the answer is a subset of clarification; you're just clarifying in a confrontational way. Yes, leaving suggestions or mini-answers in the comments is a common use case, but not one that we wish to encourage. We want people to leave full answers, which is why we funnel them to the answer box. Using comments as a way to avoid downvotes is an abuse of the feature. And while it may be true that asking questions is hard and clarifications are a necessarily evil, it is also a fundamental fact that questions that require clarification are not good questions by SO standards. | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:22 | comment | added | Andrey | And sometimes you leave a comment because you don't have a full answer but have a suggestion that might help the OP figure it out on their own - this doesn't qualify for an answer and as I've learned on my own experience is often down-voted if posted as such. In this case comments section below the question is perfect place for a suggestion | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:20 | comment | added | Andrey | Also, comments can be a way of arguing the answer - like I'm doing right now :) | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:20 | comment | added | Andrey | I can't agree with you regarding the meaning of comments. Yes, sometimes they are used to ask a clarifying question. And no, not all the questions that require clarification are bad. People who are new(er) to the site may not have the same question-asking skill as those who's been using it for a while so they might ask the question in incomplete format just because they don't know better. They learn, and we, the SO community, teach them by asking clarifying questions among other things. | |
Sep 5, 2017 at 3:06 | history | edited | Cody GrayMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 5, 2017 at 3:01 | history | answered | Cody GrayMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |