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Aug 29, 2017 at 3:19 comment added Shog9 Naw, never that @YvetteColomb - use your downvotes. They're the most powerful, most underrated moderation tool on the site. Save close votes for "this is apocalyptic" scenarios.
Aug 29, 2017 at 3:18 comment added user3956566 @Shog9 so just forget about and accept it as it is?
Aug 28, 2017 at 23:28 comment added Shog9 We've done that before @Yvette. Time for us to put up or shut up.
Aug 28, 2017 at 23:24 comment added user3956566 @Shog9 by bringing this suggestion here,even though it's not going to work, I'm trying to help create discussion. With so many brains on the site - we must be able to come up with a working solution. Maybe we could post a question on here asking for a brainstorm. I know it's been done before, but the site is evolving, so it doesn't hurt to get new community consensus. Would the community team be willing to post some type of featured question? I'm not so good at the ideas, but there's many others who are and we can float the top answers, see if they're viable and trial it?
Aug 28, 2017 at 22:19 comment added Shog9 We need better filtering for ALL the question lists, @YvetteColomb. We've known that for years and even put significant research into trying to find solutions but all of that was abandoned before fruition; need to get back to it. Everything else is just re-arranging deck chairs.
Aug 28, 2017 at 22:14 comment added user3956566 @Shog9 the fact that 3 downvotes pushes a post from the front page is something that is helpful - maybe we need to be able to delete such downvoted posts more easily. By pass the close system if a post is badly downvoted - though this would be open to abuse.
Aug 28, 2017 at 22:12 comment added user3956566 @Shog9 I hate the change while being answered - you should see the only meta post on my profile that actually really gets my goat and I jump on them fairly quickly. Yep it's an abuse of the site to take the programmers for granted that they are there to help as a free tutoring, debugging service or worse still - to write the code for someone else's job. "We help those who help themselves" - should apply.
Aug 28, 2017 at 21:58 comment added Shog9 The greatest sin you can commit on Stack Overflow is wasting someone else's time, @Yvette. Questions that are off-topic, misleading, tar-babies, or change while being answered are the biggest culprits here; unfortunately, identifying them ahead of time is brutally hard - usually the best we can do is look for coincidental indicators like spelling, grammar, and code formatting.
Aug 28, 2017 at 21:47 comment added user3956566 @Shog9 I totally agree about the close vote queue - it drives me crazy seeing some of the posts people want to close - because it's too new or doesn't fit their idea of what a good question is - even though it may be perfectly clear and answerable to people who develop in that tag. The burninations are also an open slather and used as an excuse to just delete stuff that's sitting on the site causing no harm and in fact may be helpful. The whole close voting thing is another thing I wanted to address - I have a to do list. When you say posts "likely to be problematic", what do you mean?
Aug 28, 2017 at 17:06 comment added Shog9 We do need better (or at least, more up-to-date) heuristics, @YvetteColomb. It's trivial to put more posts into Triage; it's NOT trivial to put more posts into Triage that are likely to actually be problematic. Big fat problem w/ the close queue is always that folks use close votes or flags as a "super downvote" for things they don't like; tons of questions in there whose biggest fault is just being boring, makes it hard to identify those that are actually causing problems.
Aug 26, 2017 at 4:29 comment added Makoto @YvetteColomb: I think the community needs to find a better use for the pitchforks. I get that questions are rough but it isn't like that's an unknown thing. Machine learning may come in handy with dealing with this...but until then, what we should be focusing on is what's in our control; helping the users that have a shot and dealing with the users that don't in the most efficient way we have now - downvoting.
Aug 26, 2017 at 3:42 comment added user3956566 @Makoto ah I see, I understand. I guess I'm just pushing a bit for us to come up with a working solution to address poor posts. It's time consuming working with new users, but we don't want to put them off, I agree. We cannot keep poor content on the site either. The good thing about this post is, the community wants to filter after people have posted- so how can we best do that? It would be good if we could remove stuff more quickly, it can always be undeleted and reopened, if well edited. What do you think?
Aug 26, 2017 at 3:34 comment added Makoto @YvetteColomb: Initially, I was surprised that you would suggest something which has had one or two incarnations of some form on Meta. Restricting users from posting has always been a thing around here, either with good or bad intentions. But I think the larger surprise was that...it almost seemed like this played into the common stereotype of new users, which was one I would want you to rise above. I get that some questions are just awful, but what you were proposing only isolates the community without solving any actual problems. It caught me off guard that you'd want to go that route.
Aug 26, 2017 at 3:31 comment added user3956566 I've accepted this answer for two reasons: Firstly the subjectivity of it and also a comment Jon Clements made: .../...my concern would be putting genuine people off before they even post. I'm not sure how I'd feel going to a site with a well defined and researched problem at hand and then being asked questions to prove I'm worthy of doing so - I may not bother. Also - note to @Shog9 , maybe we can fiddle the heuristics to bump more posts into the first post and triage queues
Aug 26, 2017 at 3:28 vote accept CommunityBot
Aug 26, 2017 at 3:28 comment added user3956566 @Shog9 can we please make it easier to clear the close queue? both to close and delete low Q posts? Pleeeeease for the love of God .. can we solve this solution already? We need to reduce the number of close votes to 4 until it's manageable
Aug 26, 2017 at 3:25 comment added user3956566 LOL I see all the answers. Now tell me - why were you surprised? I genuinely want to know :)
Aug 25, 2017 at 23:33 comment added Shog9 Related
Aug 25, 2017 at 23:13 comment added Makoto I've fixed the link now. Feel free to peruse.
Aug 25, 2017 at 22:59 history edited Makoto CC BY-SA 3.0
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Aug 25, 2017 at 22:30 comment added user3956566 You make a good point -food for thought - I honestly thought it was a great idea when it was in my head hm. Btw your most recent question link is 404ed.
Aug 25, 2017 at 15:42 history answered Makoto CC BY-SA 3.0