Timeline for Don't count failed post submissions towards post limit
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Dec 8, 2023 at 18:10 | comment | added | gnat | @ingotangjingle I wrote about question titles, not about comments | |
Dec 8, 2023 at 14:22 | comment | added | ingotangjingle | @gnat you didn't wait 90 minutes between the comments either, despite saying the same thing multiple times. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 22:36 | comment | added | gnat | your math doesn't look compelling @JBC - let's see what is expected of asker. 1) Study the error message and realise what exactly they did wrong 2) discover and study "questions that may have your answer" 3) find and study that other question with identical title and its answers and find out if it's different or not. Keep in mind that we're talking about new inexperienced user who may do many things slowly. The last but not the least - they need to figure new corrected title - heck, this thing alone often takes more than 30 minutes when I write my questions even though I'm quite experienced | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 22:09 | comment | added | JBC | @gnat I'd say you're overstating the benefit here. You can accomplish similar edification without such a long delay. Even 30 minutes would be a long time to wait, yet simultaneously be much more agreeable. The real issue here is not so much that a delay exists, but the magnitude of it. I doubt you'd find a meaningful reduction in quality by lowering the delay. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 16:46 | comment | added | gnat | @MartinJames ...especially if it additionally carries a really serious drawback, like in this case: "allowing to repost immediately will deprive inexperienced asker opportunity to learn fundamental things about how to ask (importance of title and of checking questions that may already have their answer)" | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 16:40 | comment | added | Martin James | Many things are inconvenient and unnecessary. To judge whether effort should be applied to fix them means asking 'how inconvenient and unnecessary'. If the answer to that is 'it hardly ever happens that an OP with a 90 minute restriction AND a duplicate title AND wants to post in a shorter interval is so bothered as to raise a change request' then SO developer effort will probably not be spent on it. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 15:47 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | @Patrice there's a difference between needing an answer now (not me) and needing one in a timely manner (me). Adding significant delays to someone acquiring their answer (potentially hours, days, or more depending on the situation) starts to eat into that "timely manner" part. I'm not, nor have I ever, used this site to try and get answers to things I need now, but it wouldn't matter if I always used it for things I wanted right now. The point about the functionality itself being inconvenient and unnecessary is what matters here, and why, in my opinion, it should be changed. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 15:11 | comment | added | Patrice | @Abysinian So, what I read here is "but I need my answer ASAP", which, AGAIN, isn't important for us. I am not trying to debate the fact that its inconvenient, or that I would grumble A LOT if it happened to me. But at the end of the day, it's a very edge case situation, that doesn't impact you much. If you come here to post because you need an answer NAO.... well then you may need to revisit how you use Stack. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:49 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | @Patrice I'm not saying this is a huge problem and needs immediate attention, but it's just bad and has no reason to be there. Prevent your users from making errors before they make them. Don't let them make one and then punish them for it. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:47 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | @Patrice if a piece of functionality is an inconvenience to users, is bad design/UX and unnecessary it warrants changing in my opinion. JBC hit the nail on the head pretty well with their reply to you. A day can be a long (and very unnecessary) amount of time to lose when you're looking for an answer to a problem. Once the answer is provided and that becomes eternal someone else can find it and try it in 5 minutes and in 5 minutes their problem is solved - excellent. Me getting that solution took a day or more longer than it should have just because of a piece of pointless functionality. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:31 | comment | added | Patrice | @Abysinian ok then, let me ask again "in the grand scheme of things, where your question is meant to be ETERNAL, how is 1 day REALLY an issue?" Seriously. I get that it's unfortunate to be hit by this. Seriously I do. I just fail to see why it needs a changing. It's inconvenient more than a real issue in my opinion | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:15 | comment | added | JBC | @gnat I was responding to the above comments, not your post directly. Lack of characters to @ them, though. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:15 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | @JBC gets it exactly. Me having to wait 90 minutes to post again may mean I can't get round to posting it until tomorrow, which means it's not just 90 minutes that I've lost, it's potentially a whole day, maybe more. Whether I need the answer today or in a month, there's just no need whatsoever to make me wait 90 minutes before I can post something because my title wasn't unique. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:12 | comment | added | gnat | @JBC no, not at all I wonder what part of my post you misread to get to a conclusion like that. "you are expected to study it and, if your question differs, also make a different title" | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:12 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | @Patrice because it is terrible design and makes for an awful user experience. Why even let me try to submit the post at all with a non-unique title if you're just going to penalise me for doing so? Display a warning by the title and disable the submission button, problem solved. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:11 | comment | added | JBC | @gnat That's operating under the assumption that a duplicate title is actually a common or duplicate problem, which isn't necessarily true. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:10 | comment | added | gnat | @JBC issue being common hardly justifies bending site rules. For comparison, it is pretty common to have a homework on a tight deadline (I have a relative studying CS and someimes deadlines are just crazy) but this doesn't help when students dump no-effort assignments here | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 14:06 | comment | added | JBC | It's pretty commonly an issue for anyone who only has a small amount of time to work on a project on their off-time. If you've only got an hour or so a few days a week & run into an issue, then you want to post the question when you have that availability; hopefully you'll have an answer by your next window. If you're forced to wait 90 mins then days might go by before you can post it again, which then means you have to try & remember everything about the question which wastes yet more time. 90 minutes could lead to days or weeks. That's a needless waste of time & nothing to do with urgency. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 13:59 | comment | added | Patrice | @Abysinian on a website where questions and answers are supposed to be for the long (eternal?) term, how is 90 minutes REALLY an issue? | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 13:37 | comment | added | gnat | hmmm I wonder how comes that "losing visibility" like that on my own questions (which as I mentioned take hours or days or even weeks to prepare) doesn't hurt me. I get desired answers, upvotes and badges, no matter if it took me 90/900 minutes more or less to prepare | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 13:30 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | I'm not in a hurry to get the answer, but losing 90 minutes of visibility on the post means it could be tomorrow before I can actually look at what answers have come in, test them and provide feedback on the results. Had the timeout only been 5-10 minutes for the title not being unique it's entirely possible I could be looking into possible answers right now - people can be very quick at responding. I agree people should be sure they have reviewed relevant posts and have a well written and thought out post, but I don't agree with a 90 minute wait for a non-unique title. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 13:18 | comment | added | gnat | not really excessive, unless you're in a hurry @Abysinian (in the latter case refer guidance I pointed in PS). To me for example just preparing most of my questions takes 3-5 times more than these tiny 90 minutes. Heck I recall spending weeks on some of my questions | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 13:14 | comment | added | ItsRobyn | I understand what you are saying, but I think 90 minutes is a very excessive amount of time to absorb a very small amount of information and make a very small edit. As I have mentioned above, the posts listed under my title were all ones I had already seen, I was posting my question having tried everything I could and therefore really requiring help specific to me/my issue. Having a post limit makes perfect sense, but a 90 minute timeout for a wrong title (and not just trying to post a lot) seems too much to me. | |
Aug 24, 2017 at 13:09 | history | answered | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |