Timeline for Overly Severe Review Suspension
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Nov 10, 2021 at 12:32 | comment | added | klutt | Completely agree on this. Just because a post has 1000 upvotes and 0 downvotes does not necessarily imply that it would be wrong to downvote it. | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 10:07 | comment | added | peterh | @BradLarson You should watch the probability that a user makes a bad review (failed audits / total review count), and not the total number of the bad reviews. Although this argument is exactly the type what I could even say to the wall. | |
Aug 9, 2017 at 14:38 | comment | added | Brad Larson Mod | @Magisch - I don't think that's exposed publicly in user profiles, and moderators have to dig into private account information to get that for a specific user. However, it just was added to the moderator review ban page in order to draw our attention to ongoing problems. When people get above 20 or so bans, we tend to tell them explicitly how many they've had in pointed warnings so they know they're getting close to being banned for a year. The new escalation of review bans has made it harder for people to get to that level. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 21:19 | comment | added | Magisch | @BradLarson Is there a way one can find out how many they've had? I don't remember at this point and I'm getting kinda concerned that y'all have a list :p | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 18:54 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | i.imgur.com/sWav3r7.png | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 15:49 | comment | added | Brad Larson Mod | Now I agree that this particular audit failure isn't the worst, but history does matter when moderators look over reviewer behavior. Andy is actually understating things a bit, because there were 34 prior review bans here, not 24. When a reviewer hits the 20-ban threshold, they are working their way up our list of people to watch a little more closely. When someone passes 30 review bans, they're near the top of that list. It's safe to assume that very strong warnings have been issued at that point, and if troubling reviews continue we have to balance the good being done in review vs. the bad. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 15:44 | comment | added | Brad Larson Mod | The reason that voting audits exist is that without them people could just hammer on the vote buttons without reading anything. We've seen this happen. When audits exist only for certain review actions, people gaming badges simply switch to the options that don't have audits and hit those buttons as quick as they can. Unfortunately, these abusive reviewers have made things a little more difficult for the rest of us. The ability to contest borderline audits would remove most of the problems with these, but they are unfortunately necessary. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 14:26 | vote | accept | Unheilig | ||
Aug 8, 2017 at 13:33 | comment | added | rdans | The op wasn't banned just for casting that vote and failing the audit. This is what the OP claimed however the answer by Andy gives the full context for why the ban was given. It was persistent bad judgement in reviewing - not decided by an automated audit system but as manually judged by humans who are highly experienced on the site. Only the 7 day ban was given for the failed audit but the OP was mistaken about the reason for the bigger ban | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 13:00 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | @Lundin agreed, but if it is fit for the site, then there's nothing to do except click "No action needed", which is a change from the current behavior since people are "encouraged" to vote in that queue. It would be better to just removing voting from First Posts and Late Answers (looks like Shog9 already considers this a problem) | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 12:28 | comment | added | Lundin | @psubsee2003 If a post is not fit for SO it should not (just) be down-voted but closed. Similarly an answer could attempt to answer the question, could be on-topic but still be of low quality. In which case it is ok to down-vote but not delete. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 12:24 | comment | added | EpicKip | @Magisch 1) They lift the ban, problem solved. 2) Reference | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 12:22 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | I don't disagree that pass/fail audits based on voting is flawed because we are telling someone how to vote. But voting is only permitted in a small handful of queues (First Posts and Late Answers) simply because the function of those queues is to help judge the fitness of a specific question for SO, and one of the ways we do that is with Voting. So it becomes important to try to police voting in those queues to ensure people are not voting improperly by up/down voting or everything in sight. How can you do that without using audits based on perceived quality. Is there a better way? | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 12:22 | comment | added | Magisch | @EpicKip This has happened multiple times and moderators have been known to manually lift bans in such cases. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:59 | comment | added | EpicKip | @Lundin Yes but that's not the case nor has that happened before | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:52 | comment | added | Lundin | Also if it counts towards a ban or leads to a ban is completely irrelevant too, as it is just probability theory then. If someone has the bad luck to get multiple broken audits in a row, they will get banned. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:50 | comment | added | Lundin | @EpicKip I am perfectly aware that you need to fail several audits to be review banned. That's perfectly irrelevant, thank you very much. The issue here is that someone gets punished (by the audit counting towards a ban) for voting in a way that didn't please Big Brother. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:50 | comment | added | Braiam | Well, the ban take into account more than one failed audit, so I don't see how your answer is relevant. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:49 | comment | added | EpicKip | @Lundin Stop with the noise, you read mine again. 1 bad audit won't get you a review ban period. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:48 | comment | added | Lundin | @EpicKip Just read my answer again... | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:48 | comment | added | EpicKip | @Lundin You are suggesting that because you know 1 example all audits are bad (that's what it sounds like at least). You need multiple failed audits for your first review ban so you wont get it from 1 bad audit. And in this case 24 review bans is too much, even if half of them were from bad audits | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:47 | comment | added | Lundin | @Braiam The audit wasn't related to spam so I don't see how your comment is relevant. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:46 | comment | added | Lundin | @EpicKip Earlier today I down-voted an answer with 30 up-votes because it was wrong and mis-quoted a language standard. It was a down vote I could confidently cast because I have extensive domain knowledge in the subject. So if such a post would pop up during review, and I spot the quality problem with it, it should then count towards my review ban? That's nonsense. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:44 | comment | added | Braiam | "First of all, we are by no means obliged to up-vote/down-vote new users when we are doing first post reviews" nor you are obliged to say "no action needed" spam, nor edit spam, nor upvote spam, yet people does. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 | comment | added | EpicKip | Voting down on a well received answer will fail an audit which I think is perfectly sensible (I mean, what else is it supposed to do). And the ban is just a number of failed audits (not the 1) and you know the reason for it to be extended is because there were 24 bans and/or other reviews (non audit) may have been not so great either. | |
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:36 | history | answered | Lundin | CC BY-SA 3.0 |