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Feb 3, 2022 at 18:46 comment added Stefan Wuebbe What do you think about this idea? I like it
Oct 10, 2017 at 9:05 comment added alexdriedger How about creating a good quality Markdown Basics + Writing Good SO Questions 101 video. It's amazing the improvement in quality of questions and answers once you know backticks, links, and code blocks
Aug 22, 2017 at 8:49 comment added somebody So yeah, I'd personally prefer a kind of error message based on SmokeDetector-esque analytics.
Aug 22, 2017 at 8:48 comment added somebody Not sure why I'm still using comments :/ I think quite a few people use Stack Overflow for rubber duck debugging, and I think this would be a big help to a majority of the users posting the bad questions described below. I think as a sort of tutorial the process of asking a question could be broken up? e.g. each of the multiple inputs would be used for part of the question e.g. a short description, what they've tried, and code (if any). I'd also say to ask the users to Google/DDG etc. the question (which I think would solve the problem in most cases) but it doesn't seem possible to automate
Aug 22, 2017 at 8:39 comment added somebody Okay, I've read a few of these answers, and it seems like the most important part isn't mentoring, it's SmokeDetector integration. I'm sure with Stack Exchange's help (and computing power) it would be possible to use the data on all the deleted/closed etc. questions to modify SmokeDetector to warn users of bad questions before they are even asked, and give them an overview of the points where they need to improve
Aug 22, 2017 at 8:36 comment added somebody Okay. So this is really late and an insanely bad idea (and probably really impractical too), but: I'd have a chat open as like a sidebar on the post body once the user clicks the button to post a question (even better would be once the question reaches a decent length), and a mentor would be able to see a live preview (or at least a preview :P), which I think would make it a bit more interactive. (Yes this is a lot like Servy's answer)
Aug 9, 2017 at 17:05 comment added Graeme A long time ago, in a ga... No, wait, it was this Galaxy... Anyway, there was a community known as "CyberArmy" (not sure if it still exists) where you had to perform a series of tests which gave you your "rank" in the community. Now the thing was the very first test was fun. Do you think we could make a fun interactive test to help them find an existing answer, or write a Question? Gamification is a great tool to validate and encourage learning.
Aug 5, 2017 at 16:55 comment added AMDG I have an idea: let's just show newcomers an overwhelmingly large list of down-voted and up-voted questions side by side to encourage them to write quality questions! — Jokes aside, a few example questions (actual or artificial) might help!
Aug 4, 2017 at 15:25 comment added Pekka Linkedin beat you to the punch! 😄 twitter.com/modestproposal1/status/893466881578979328
Aug 2, 2017 at 5:58 comment added Mike Dinescu I would much rather see the 'mentorship efforts' directed at helping people improve their questions. So the idea is to let users post their first question as best ad they can and then have a mentor offer to help the user to improve the question. That reduces friction and encourages new users while also hopefully teaching them the skills they need to ask better questions in the future.
Jul 31, 2017 at 21:21 comment added Sinjai Sounds great if actually implemented well. Exactly what would new users be asking in this chat? Why not just add a "your first couple questions will be peer-reviewed for quality" feature and have these altruistic people that would be sitting in a chat room instead monitor this new queue?
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Jul 31, 2017 at 11:46 comment added Magisch I'm skeptical about the true usefulness, but I'd be willing to try it out.
Jul 31, 2017 at 11:40 comment added John Hascall I loath chat. If that was my first experience here, I would have left immediately. I have no idea how common or rare my feelings are on this matter, but please consider that one size does not fit all.
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Jul 31, 2017 at 8:22 comment added Ganesh Kamath - 'Code Frenzy' I believe a friendly explanatory short video will resolve all 3 problems.
Jul 31, 2017 at 5:49 comment added DBedrenko The curent way of doing things culls the lazy and the help vampires. Your proposal would instead bring them in.
Jul 31, 2017 at 0:17 comment added Shadow "One thing is sure. We have to do something. We have to do the best we know how at the moment... If it doesn't turn out right, we can modify it as we go along." (FDR) I do agree with the concerns voiced in comments / answers, but at least SO is trying to something to address poor new user experience. So, let's do this, but be ready to move on if it does not work.
Jul 30, 2017 at 0:11 comment added keyr @Kristina Lustig: Down-voting is also one of the thing that puts people off answering or raising a question. I guess you will have to dig into the huge data of SO and then come up with statistics such as what are the types of questions people ask or answer, understand the frustration shown in the comments etc. It will be a good data mining problem. You will be able to come up with lots of answer to improve SO. I still think my answer is good, which because of downvoting, I guess nobody reads it.
Jul 29, 2017 at 15:55 comment added Dodge Am I wrong for thinking that the most question refining structure already exists. Specifically, the fact that more than 3/4 of all poorly formatted questions are almost instantly mediated with a critique in the comments sections. "Please show desired output," "what have you tried?", etc. Dedicated askers simply edit their question and, from what I see, get results. Mentor yes, no to a new structure within the site that teaches requisite question formatting techniques.
Jul 29, 2017 at 10:57 answer added keyr timeline score: -12
Jul 29, 2017 at 4:37 answer added HostileFork says dont trust SE timeline score: 10
Jul 29, 2017 at 0:29 answer added Bernhard Barker timeline score: 15
Jul 28, 2017 at 20:05 answer added NoDataDumpNoContribution timeline score: 7
Jul 28, 2017 at 17:45 comment added T. Sar If you want to create a mentor system, you need a way to create a 1-on-1 chat room for the mentor and the mentee to discuss the question.
Jul 28, 2017 at 14:17 comment added Tanner @Pekka웃 something like this referring to this comment of yours.
Jul 28, 2017 at 14:00 comment added Tanner Personally I don't think this will work, for a bunch of reasons, which others have posted. I've made some suggestions in the past that aim to act more interactively with users that are new.
Jul 28, 2017 at 13:46 answer added Berkay Yaylacı timeline score: 0
Jul 28, 2017 at 11:54 answer added ValarMorghulis timeline score: -3
Jul 28, 2017 at 11:26 answer added Rounin timeline score: -5
Jul 28, 2017 at 9:55 comment added Martin James @Cœur in the " How to ask in the 'How to ask' room " chatroom, of course, (sorry, could not resist that). It's chatrooms all the way down:)
Jul 28, 2017 at 9:44 comment added Cœur @KristinaLustig, [a] Where can I download this program? [b] Where can I find a tutorial? [c] Which program is the best? All those are off-topic questions, and the Mentors will be telling the newcomers "don't post this question here!", and they will be asking "so where do I ask my question then?"
Jul 28, 2017 at 5:01 comment added Tieson T. Maybe I'm missing where it was noted, somewhere on this page, but will the expectation/implementation be that a user posts their question, and then gets advice on what to improve, if they use the mentoring process? Or, are they expected to provide their question content in the chat itself (which would be awful, given how chat handles code blocks)? Or some other option that I've missed the few times I've read through this question and it's answers?
Jul 28, 2017 at 2:19 comment added Jeremy Thompson @BradleyDotNET I cannot access the Google Docs (from work) either.
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:42 comment added Martin James @SteelToe 'I know so many programmers that were turned off from the trolling and bias against first timers' do you have any evidence of trolling and bias against first timers, as distinct from bias against bad questions? No, you don't. How do I know? I have asked for evidence in many meta posts that claim thsi happens, and not one link has ever been posted. Now who is trolling, exactly?
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:39 comment added Martin James @SteelToe 'new users mean know harm, its just they need a answer to a question fast.' That's exactly the approach that gets them down and close-voted:(
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:29 comment added Hack-R @Hack-R just my observation.
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:17 comment added SteelToe @juergend I agree with that part, I just disagree that even if you make them stay for the comments, they still will leave when they see their question being treated like garbage etc
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:14 comment added juergen d @SteelToe: That happens too, but my experience tells me that 80 percent of the users leave. And I view(ed) a lot of questions.
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:11 comment added SteelToe @Hack-R Based on what you said, I hope your not a mentor :). But in all seriousness, new users mean know harm, its just they need a answer to a question fast. I think teaching them through mentorship is great.
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:09 comment added SteelToe @juergend I respectfully disagree, new users stay for their question, but don't ask again after the bias and disgusting behavior towards their first question.
Jul 27, 2017 at 23:04 comment added SteelToe Amazing Idea. I know so many programmers that were turned off from the trolling and bias against first timers
Jul 27, 2017 at 22:19 comment added juergen d Many users are ready to help new users but that is impossible since new users ask a question and leave. Make them stay put for a few minutes and the comments to help them will come: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/156761/…
Jul 27, 2017 at 20:32 comment added Martin James @empty you should not try to inject reality into this experiment at this stage. The vamps will do that later:)
Jul 27, 2017 at 19:51 comment added empty @KristinaLustig Quick reality check. How many new SO users per day? How many questions from beginning users per day?
Jul 27, 2017 at 19:19 answer added user3458 timeline score: 24
Jul 27, 2017 at 18:20 comment added Hack-R I think it's a great idea and would love to be a mentor. At the same time, I think most SO users would prefer it if you instead researched ways to make new users' computers shock them with electricity for being lazy when writing questions.
Jul 27, 2017 at 17:33 comment added BradleyDotNET Your google docs link appears to be down at the moment. Could be the firewall I'm behind of course.
Jul 27, 2017 at 16:41 answer added Andrew Myers timeline score: -4
Jul 27, 2017 at 15:11 answer added smali timeline score: -2
Jul 27, 2017 at 14:56 comment added Zach Smith what about moderators forming 'mentorship' groups in general? so whenever a new user creates an account on SO they are shown a list of mentors for the group the new user falls in (0 - 100 experience, 100 - 200 experience, etc). this would make 'mentors' a more friendly concept. These mentors would do what you suggest
Jul 27, 2017 at 14:52 answer added Mirv - Matt timeline score: -7
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Jul 27, 2017 at 13:29 comment added HDE 226868 (2/2) The same technical problems would be present, as well as some of the others mention here, but you might see less help vampirism, because I'd bet that a small percentage of new users there are looking for a quick fix to a problem. Most sites have communities smaller than SO, but it can still be intimidating to join them. Using a mentoring program there could lower this barrier and increase question quality in different crucial areas on different sites.
Jul 27, 2017 at 13:29 comment added HDE 226868 (1/2) I know there are mixed feelings here about this. I'm wondering if, regardless of the success of the test on Stack Overflow, variants of this could be tested on smaller sites on the network - not the tiniest beta sites, but ones with a decent amount of questions and plenty of new users. It would be especially helpful on sites that have problems on specific types of questions (e.g. homework, ID questions, resource recommendations, etc.). I've spoken with a few mods on a couple other sites, and they think it might be worth a shot.
Jul 27, 2017 at 11:17 answer added Peter timeline score: 12
Jul 27, 2017 at 9:02 comment added Emond Let the first time user type the question and allow mentors to see what is being typed and allow them to make suggestions on how to improve the question. Mentors could be replaced by AI because this will be a kind of horrible job but I think it is the only way that allows the first time user to ask a question without being redirected and being forced to read walls of text. I will not be such a mentor, I have got a job and things to do. The stack overflow questions of late are more at a please-help-me-debug or please-write-my-code level than aiming for fundamental understanding. I miss that.
Jul 27, 2017 at 8:47 answer added Jeremy Thompson timeline score: 1
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Jul 27, 2017 at 8:11 comment added Raphael How about connecting every new asker with a single volunteer?
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Jul 27, 2017 at 7:06 answer added Peter Duniho timeline score: 17
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Jul 27, 2017 at 1:19 comment added zondo The form asks for my username. Should I put in my display name or the e-mail address with which I sign in?
Jul 27, 2017 at 0:35 comment added Jeremy Thompson @KristinaLustig IMHO this idea has a lot more promise meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/303964/…
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Jul 26, 2017 at 20:28 answer added auden timeline score: -4
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Jul 26, 2017 at 18:31 comment added PM 2Ring @KristinaLustig Excellent! I am much relieved. :)
Jul 26, 2017 at 18:17 comment added kristinalustig StaffMod @PM2Ring yup - just for new members. Mentors do need experience with SO.
Jul 26, 2017 at 17:39 comment added PM 2Ring When you say that "there are no rep minimums for this room", that just applies to the new members asking for help to get their question in shape, right? Surely the mentors need site experience, and probably also domain-specific experience too. I suggest that mentors should have at least a bronze badge in some language tag.
Jul 26, 2017 at 17:20 comment added Braiam @NathanOliver ideally, you don't need the knownledge to ask a good question. Ideally, you could identify obvious pitfalls for most questions (topicness, clarity, opionated).
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Jul 26, 2017 at 17:16 comment added Martin James @PaulCrovella eww... the horrible chat flags. Didn't think of that!
Jul 26, 2017 at 15:54 comment added Modus Tollens A really good idea, worth a try. Signed up.
Jul 26, 2017 at 15:42 comment added kristinalustig StaffMod @PaulCrovella Oh, yes. We're killing it after about a month in any case - it's meant to be a short-term experiment where we gather data about the kinds of things people need help with, the way that people interact with each other in this setting, and how much getting personal help with asking a question actually helps people feel more welcome. So there really is no success/failure criteria here, because knowledge gained is a success - even if we learn that this is a horrible idea. :)
Jul 26, 2017 at 15:31 answer added Makoto timeline score: 6
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Jul 26, 2017 at 15:24 comment added user3942918 How will you determine success/failure? Are you prepared to let it die if it does fail?
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Jul 26, 2017 at 15:13 answer added Mad Scientist timeline score: 11
Jul 26, 2017 at 15:03 comment added Petter Friberg @Will you bald-headed .... :D, but ok, lets keep a 24/7 translation service
Jul 26, 2017 at 15:00 comment added Martin James It should be trialed. If it turns into a massive disaster, it will still have value as a shield when disgruntled users fire off the all-too-common 'SO does not help new users' posts. We can link it and say 'we tried harder, and it just didn't work'.
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:59 comment added user1228 @PetterFriberg I'll alter the faq. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:58 answer added enderland timeline score: 82
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:56 comment added Petter Friberg @Will I wounder how that would fit with current faq, Please do not translate posts for the OP
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:55 answer added Servy timeline score: 94
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:52 comment added user1228 Can this be extended to support translation issues as well? I FR'd this a while ago (pre meta split?) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/212385/…
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:50 comment added Pekka Off topic, I still think showing annotated examples of good and bad questions is the way to go teaching new users what works and what doesn't on Stack Overflow (To the extent that there is any rhyme and reason to what works around here and what doesn't.) Simple, understandable to ESL folks, relatively cheap to build.
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Jul 26, 2017 at 14:33 comment added NathanOliver Is there going to be any tag filtering? I could help people ask a C++ question or try and find a dupe for the, but I would be pretty limited in the help I could offer someone with PHP.
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:29 answer added Patrick Simard timeline score: -28
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:22 answer added Servy timeline score: 13
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:17 comment added Alon Eitan I love this idea, I believe it will help to reduce low quality posts and question-bans for new users, and maybe will get to see less of those "Why is SO unwelcoming community to beginning" questions/complains on Meta
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:16 comment added Jimbo Can all new posters' posts not placed under review first, then anyone can fix them and provide what changed and why, peer reviewed, or this is not an option?
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:15 comment added Martin James Still, an attempt/trial to reduce the number of bad questions sounds good:)
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:14 comment added Martin James 'Mentors don’t actually answer programming questions in chat' - how long will it take before someone attempts to get round that by expicitly asking a programming question, or by attempting to 'turn' an existing thread, (answers to the nearest 10ms, please).
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:12 answer added Martin Verjans timeline score: 256
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:06 comment added Pekka It's funny - only two days ago I thought about writing up a Meta suggestion on creating a new class of moderators, with the role of social workers where our current moderators have the role of cops - putting out fires but not having the time to help individual users much. A bit like the old SWAT team of nice suggestion. I wasn't sure whether it would be a good idea, but in this context and equipped with special chat rooms, it might make sense. It also might be a complete disaster - but it's certainly worth trying out!
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:01 comment added Jon Clements Mod @KristinaLustig Brilliant - just checking. Sounds like this request shouldn't be more than another 6-8 if a room can be completely accessible to everyone... :)
Jul 26, 2017 at 14:00 comment added Pekka Good idea generally. Worth trying out and seeing whether it's viable.
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Jul 26, 2017 at 13:39 comment added David Arenburg I think this is a good idea generally. I would also love to volunteer (although I have very limited free time). Though I have doubts regarding the amount of new users that will actually notice this link and actually click on it. On the other hand, if there will be too many users at the same time in the chat, that could become very chaotic as you won't be able to have a proper conversation with a certain new user because of tens of messages posted from other users in between.
Jul 26, 2017 at 13:26 comment added George When we see a first-time asker in the Ask a Question page, we show them a link to a chatroom in the sidebar I think this link would have to stand out more, it should be placed above the title of the question, that way it's less likely someone will miss it. The problem is mainly people haven't even gone to the How To Ask page before asking a question. Great idea to fix this issue btw, I hope this works!
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