Timeline for Updating old, high voted answer as recommended code changes
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Aug 24, 2018 at 15:58 | comment | added | user3453226 | @ImportanceOfBeingErnest I suggest that you re-edit the answer as you see fit. I think this is appropriate since some people have changed it after the moderator's lock has been removed. Also, I think Python expertise is crucial in order to truly understand this specific case, and many of us who had partecipated in the discussion effectively lacked it. | |
Jul 12, 2017 at 11:41 | comment | added | jfs | @AndrasDeak: If I have a code base that does not follow the current best practices for a library and I need to modify it without rewriting it to use the new style then an old answer that uses the outdated code style might actually help me more than a new answer with a different style. | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 18:06 | answer | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | timeline score: 1 | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 13:32 | comment | added | Braiam | Related read meta.stackexchange.com/q/243243/213575 | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 13:31 | comment | added | Braiam | @FélixGagnon-Grenier the only "community input" op was looking for was "what to do with the other answer that would then become identical", which was non-op since it was already a duplicated answer. The only difference between the two is how much it pollutes the namespace, which wasn't critical part of the question or the answer. It's like changing "restart the system" to "restart the application", if the later was enough. | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 13:04 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | Both are not mutually exclusive @Andras. Now, as it becomes apparent this question's op doesn't actually search for community's input but rather a subset of it drawn by arbitrary lines, let me take my leave so Pythoners can manage their turf without bothering with external input. | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 12:53 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | Well, there's a reason I haven't taken a stance regarding the actual post in question. Based on the suggested edit not breaking anything across versions, I think it should be fine. Based on my concerns for duplicating answers, the edit is not fine. But ultimately, this is the third-top-voted answer on a question where the top ones are younger and have double the votes, so I don't see this post crucial in any way, thus my final assessment is "meh" :) | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 12:47 | comment | added | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | @AndrasDeak the description of the background you give is technically absolutely correct. Is there any conclusion you would draw from that concerning the question? | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 12:34 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | My point was rather that J.F. Sebastian's concerns are invalid. But whatever rocks your boat, @Félix :P | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 12:24 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | @AndrasDeak Excellent! Yet another reminder that, this not being a critical security or breakage issue, a soft notice redirecting to the new way is indeed the right way to go. And as added benefit, without being a jerk to the actual writer of the new answer. | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 10:53 | history | edited | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 11, 2017 at 1:06 | answer | added | Warren Dew | timeline score: -1 | |
Jul 11, 2017 at 0:26 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | To the non-domain-savvy interferers (cc. @FélixGagnon-Grenier, good job with your edit war by the way): as far as I know this is not deprecation in the "usual" sense when something no longer works in a newer version. Users of old versions of matplotlib will not suddenly find a uselessly up-to-date answer. It's more of a shift in best practices. Pylab is a convenience module that combines numpy and pyplot in the same namespace, which is exactly the reason why it's one huge bulk of a module that should just be avoided, using pyplot and numpy separately if needed. (Correct me if I'm wrong) | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 22:07 | history | edited | user3453226 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 10, 2017 at 20:35 | answer | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | timeline score: 0 | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:58 | history | edited | Braiam | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 10, 2017 at 19:54 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | ... and yet again, this has nothing to do with the domain. This is about how we decide to tell readers, that an answer is deprecated, and replacing an answer with content from another existing answer is not the way to go. Deprecation notices work very well for that, and at worse this is simply plagiarism. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:52 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | @ImportanceOfBeingErnest If the other answer was not existing, I'd be all for adding, not replacing the relevant way. There is already an answer, and yes, deprecation notices correspond much better to the help center, that you so wish to invoke, than changing an answer to copy the content of another one. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:48 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @Braiam: To be honest there are a lot of things the Help Centre says that don't actually match consensus in reality. And consensus in reality is that broad edits are to be frowned upon, especially when lots of people have already voted on the older content. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:33 | review | Close votes | |||
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Jul 10, 2017 at 19:29 | comment | added | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | @Félix Be assured that the upvotes do not loose their meaning due to this edit. And to know this, expertise helps. I just needed to edit the answer again because someone was trying to put new meaning into it which wasn't there at the beginning, and I am pretty much against changing the meaning of a post. However the edit of changing the import is justified as is does not change the meaning. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:17 | comment | added | Peter Duniho | Possible duplicate of Should I update very old questions when the answer becomes incorrect? | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:14 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | The problem here, is it have nothing to do about the domain. Stack Overflow is bigger than one python question, and no, you are not encouraged to change the content of an answer to the point where all the upvotes actually lose their meaning. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 19:01 | comment | added | Braiam | Yeah, the "community" sometimes for dogma wants to roll over the domain expert. Read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/339101/… for laughs. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 18:24 | comment | added | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | I am also very happy to discuss this with a moderator, if there is the need to do it. So if people find it necessary they may flag the edited answer for moderator attention. Just to say, bumping a huge yellow citation field at the top of the post to show some deprecation warning and link is for sure not the way to go. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 18:14 | comment | added | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | There is indeed no community agreement, but there is a very clear sentence in the help center which encourages exactly what I did. Also, I evaluate posts and comments by people who have obviously already worked with python and matplotlib higher than those by people who are not expert, since the edit in question cannot be compared to any other case of "editing code" I've seen so far. It is merely the source of the import that changes. And I do by now, also with arguments from this thread, have enough information to judge that this edit is justified. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 18:11 | comment | added | Braiam | @J.F.Sebastian the code is on the review history for all to see. If you want to go back, you can go back, but do not hold back those trying to move forward! | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 17:47 | comment | added | jfs | while updating an old answer, please, do not remove the corresponding old working code. 8 years is nothing, I've recently had to adapt for a new environment a code base that is 20 years old -- do not underestimate how long software may live. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 17:42 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | @ImportanceOfBeingErnest I regret you doing as you did, while there was obviously no community agreement. I rollbacked to the second version. I would have preferred we go the "let's agree on something" way, but apparently Braiam's inflamatory ways won your heart. Let's escalate this to an edit war, I guess, until moderators hammer everyone. If you wish to do as you well please, so can everyone else. | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 16:54 | history | reopened | Braiam discussion Users with the discussion badge or a synonym can single-handedly close discussion questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed. | ||
Jul 10, 2017 at 16:39 | history | closed |
user3453226 canon Andrew Li Michael Gaskill il_raffa |
Duplicate of Should I update very old answers when the solution becomes deprecated? | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 14:47 | vote | accept | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | ||
Jul 10, 2017 at 14:46 | history | edited | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 10, 2017 at 14:43 | review | Close votes | |||
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Jul 10, 2017 at 13:48 | answer | added | user3453226 | timeline score: 49 | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 13:46 | answer | added | SGR | timeline score: 1 | |
Jul 10, 2017 at 9:49 | answer | added | Vesper | timeline score: -1 | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 23:01 | answer | added | Clonkex | timeline score: 5 | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 22:26 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | I would also add that the answerer is an unregistered user last seen in 2008, so they're note likely to come back and update the post themselves. | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 22:20 | comment | added | Braiam | Recommended read meta.stackoverflow.com/q/338481/792066 | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 21:15 | answer | added | Braiam | timeline score: -19 | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 20:12 | answer | added | Peter Duniho | timeline score: -1 | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 19:42 | history | edited | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 9, 2017 at 19:12 | comment | added | Braiam | There's no "strategy", just do it. | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 19:10 | comment | added | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | I know that I can edit it. But if I do so, I would be interested in knowing what to do with the other answer that would then become identical. I would therefore rather like to see comments and answer from experienced editors that suggest a good strategy on this. | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 19:09 | comment | added | Braiam | So, knock yourself out. There's nothing in the help center that prohibits you and yet many things that invites you to do so. | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 19:05 | comment | added | Braiam | Before the "don't edit anything ever" crew descends, the help center explicitly tells you that you can do that. "Editing is important for keeping questions and answers clear, relevant, and up-to-date. If you are not comfortable with the idea of your contributions being collaboratively edited [...] this may not be the site for you. [...] Any time you see a post that needs improvement and are inclined to suggest an edit, you are welcome to do so. [...] Common reasons for edits include: [...] To correct minor mistakes or add updates as the post ages" | |
Jul 9, 2017 at 18:40 | history | asked | ImportanceOfBeingErnest | CC BY-SA 3.0 |