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Jul 7, 2017 at 21:54 comment added Rob Grant It's far too wordy. learn | share | build might be cool, but also you don't really need to add more branding to SO. Like all good services it grew without cookie-cutter "engagement" dronery. Improve the tools, the content and perhaps the flow for new signups. That'll go much further than fluffy stuff.
Jul 6, 2017 at 19:15 comment added Marco13 So despite the downvotes and comments, this is as close to an answer as it gets. I've seen that a similar wording is used on the main site when visiting as an unregistered user, so I assume that this is some sort of "branding"/"slogan", last but not least (or even mainly) to convey that SO is more than QA.
Jul 6, 2017 at 19:13 vote accept Marco13
Jul 4, 2017 at 11:57 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні @Oded I concur with that part of Lundin's comment. I'm not a long-time user of the site, but the newer failed-ish sparkly features always seem to go like this: "- Community, we made THIS for you! - Eh, whatever. - Try it, you'll love it! - Wow, this is bad. Please take it away. Or at least change <thing> so that it works. How about changing <years-long list of stuff we actually want>? - Hey, this is for you, it's great how great it is for you! - No, just...no. - We can't put our finger on it, but for some reason we need to unship/rehash/keep aggressively advertising until it starts to work."
Jul 4, 2017 at 10:28 comment added Oded StaffMod I don't think anyone pretends that, @Lundin. The success of SO and other sites doesn't automatically translate to a sustainable business. We try new things to see what works - and we are OK with failing, that's how we learn (as people and as organisations). We already have very good core functionality on SO - sure, there's always things to improve and we are working on those too, but working on those exclusively would mean we close doors. I doubt you want that to happen.
Jul 4, 2017 at 9:25 comment added Lundin @Oded My point here is, don't pretend that all these peripheral projects were initiated by the community. In fact the community raised many valid concerns about projects such as "Documentation" and "Teams" but SO went through with them anyway. Less failed projects = more money. It would otherwise seem to me that the way to profit would be to get a very good core functionality on SO, then port that to all other sites in the SE network and expand by opening new such sites. Their success will ultimately depend on the quality of the content.
Jul 4, 2017 at 9:18 comment added Oded StaffMod @Lundin - priorities. We would love to do all of that. But - if we do and SO runs out of money in the mean time, would you rather we close shop?
Jul 4, 2017 at 9:15 comment added Lundin @Oded SO should start by improving the core functionality of the site, most notably aiming to improve post quality. For example by phasing out the cumbersome review queues and over time replace them with automatic means to detect and remove poor questions. The moderator tools are crude and could be improved considerably. The on-site search feature is poor - site navigation in general could be improved. There is a need for a working FAQ system. And so on. These things should be priority, not peripheral features or the numerous "pretty buttons" projects.
Jul 4, 2017 at 8:54 comment added Oded StaffMod @Lundin - so Stack Overflow should just be Q&A for all time? We shouldn't try to do something more with our reach?
Jul 4, 2017 at 7:00 comment added Lundin Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please take the tour. The community's vision is right there in the first sentence of the tour. The experimental "careers" project is of peripheral interest to the community. Especially since it is little more than an irrelevant spam advert generator at this point.
Jul 4, 2017 at 0:05 comment added Joe Friend StaffMod Yep feeling toasty for sure. In past jobs I've had financial services folks (GS, MS, CS, UBS and such, all just post 2008 crash)and lawyers as customers, so I'm use to the heat. And, of course, I've worked with a lot of developers who created those great products. So this is all par for the course.
Jul 3, 2017 at 21:54 comment added Marco13 A nice, warm welcome to the site... garnished with freezing cold shower of downvotes :-D (You probably know how things work on meta, though). While this answers the question to some extent, changing the <title> still seems like an oddly low-level detail (with undesirable consequences) to achieve the goal. (The goal itself is still rather abstract in the way that it is presented here, but ... this alone wouldn't justify the somewhat blunt comments, IMHO). Or to put it that way: I wonder whether the title affects the affinity in any way. But maybe I'm overlooking something.
Jul 3, 2017 at 21:05 comment added Daniel Pryden There's an unstated assumption in this approach that, frankly, worries me. The assumption is that "engagement" is a metric that is worth improving for its own sake. It's not, and should never be. "Engagement", to the degree that it's meaningful at all, is a proxy for things you actually care about. Let's face it: the users care about receiving value from the site (mainly in the form of knowledge), and SO (the company) cares about extracting value from the users (mainly via ads). You want more "engagement" because it makes you money. Don't sugarcoat it and pretend this is about anything else.
Jul 3, 2017 at 20:57 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні "[B]uilding on the love that developers have for SO", "provide compelling value for signing up and staying signed in". Do those mean that what the community actually wants will start to matter? Setting aside major features (Documentation, Developer Story, etc.), even simple things with consistent consensus such as unpinning accepted answers keep getting rejected. All the talk about the importance of community seems to be only in words. Is, for instance, moderation part of the engagement vision?
Jul 3, 2017 at 20:41 comment added Joe Friend StaffMod @DanielPryden Sorry that the new title annoys you. Our thinking is Learn, Share and Build are all descriptive of the activities that current SO users do every day using Q&A and Jobs. Some users may have different connotations. The good news is that the DAG team will be investing time and effort in improving the Q&A experience that I hope you do value.
Jul 3, 2017 at 20:34 comment added Joe Friend StaffMod @JeffreyBosboom Developer Affinity = Developer engagement and love. Our team's charter is to continue building on the love that developers have for SO. Our team is still new and in the early stages, but it is safe to assume our plans will include improvements in the Q&A experience that provide compelling value for signing up and staying signed in.
Jul 3, 2017 at 20:17 comment added Daniel Pryden But.... I'm not particularly interested in building my career. I am interested in learning specific answers to specific questions, and sharing specific answers to specific questions, but "learn" in general conjures up the idea of a school (which SO definitely is not) and "share" invokes the idea of a social network (which SO very much is the antithesis of). The new title is annoying to me, and all the more so because it is so prominent.
Jul 3, 2017 at 20:12 comment added Jeffrey Bosboom What is "Developer Affinity"?
Jul 3, 2017 at 16:10 history answered Joe FriendStaffMod CC BY-SA 3.0