Timeline for Tearing Down the Structure of Documentation
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Jun 5, 2017 at 15:27 | comment | added | TylerH | @JustinTime No, I'm not missing the point; you're creating an imaginary point by arguing that this answer contains/consists of 'input'. It doesn't. "Thanks" is not input. It's literally the same signal as an upvote on the question: one user approves of/agrees with this post. Literally nothing actionable, nothing even constructive. The answer even admits it doesn't have any input. It's also a silly thing for you to be clinging to 3 weeks later. | |
Jun 4, 2017 at 16:37 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | @TylerH You missed half the point. Upvoting the question would indicate that people agree with the idea, but doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have any input on how specifically it should be done; it's likely that the people who posted other answers both upvoted the question and provided their input. This answer specifically indicates that people both agree with the idea, and think that the implementation suggested in the question is good and doesn't need to be significantly modified according to further input. | |
May 23, 2017 at 18:43 | comment | added | TylerH | @JustinTime If you just want to indicate you agree with a post on meta, you vote it up. Like I said, and like DBedrenko mentioned just now as well, this answer is arguably not even appropriate for a comment. It's definitely not appropriate as an answer. | |
May 23, 2017 at 16:12 | comment | added | DBedrenko | @JustinTime That is what upvoting/downvoting the question is for. We don't need a "yay" and "nay" answer for every proposal/suggestion that gets posted to MSO every day. | |
May 22, 2017 at 23:02 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | @TylerH "Comments are ephemeral", though, as a lot of people here put it; they're also much easier to lose among all the other comments, and thus less likely to be noticed either by the dev team or by other users. That aside, in most cases you would be correct; since this is a discussion about the dev team's plans going forwards, though, instead of an actual question, this answer indicates that people agree with the proposed plans, and don't feel that they need to add anything to them. | |
May 22, 2017 at 19:00 | comment | added | TylerH | @JustinTime Again, a comment can do that just as well, because comments can be upvoted. This answer does not provide any useful info beyond "thanks, +1 from me", which IMO is hardly worth a comment, let alone an answer. | |
May 22, 2017 at 18:20 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | @TylerH This type of answer isn't noise in this context, because it indicates the number of people that agree with what the team want to do with Docs, and consider it a good idea. Considering that they're deciding how to change the structure, and have proposed a plan for doing so, knowing how many people agree with their plan can indicate to them whether they need to change it and/or ask for more community input. In this regard, it's just as useful as a "Yes, this is a good idea, but you should do X too" answer, or an "I disagree with your tentative approach because Y" answer. | |
May 19, 2017 at 10:59 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @JonEricson By contrast, your old approach seemed, from the outside, to broadly be "We picked a bunch of functionality, stitched it together at random, and offered it to the public. We have only vague and sometimes contradictory ideas about how anyone's going to use it, but we're sure the public will figure it out." This approach was never going to work, and it's encouraging to me that you seem to have now recognised this. | |
May 19, 2017 at 10:55 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @JonEricson to me the main thing that's hugely important in your difference in approach here is that your new plan is use your own platform to make something valuable and learn what features it needs through that process. This will force you to be constantly asking the questions "Is the content we're writing useful? Is it presented in the way readers will want to consume it? Will the people who would benefit from reading it be able to find it?" that we are constantly asking, and then to structure the whole product in a way that allows the answers to those questions to be "yes". | |
May 18, 2017 at 21:16 | comment | added | TylerH | @duplode You're free to disagree of course but I don't see what value "thanks" provides as an answer that really addresses the question, or that can't be provided in a comment. | |
May 18, 2017 at 20:51 | comment | added | duplode | @TylerH I'd say this answer is not noise -- not in the context of this Meta discussion. | |
May 18, 2017 at 20:47 | comment | added | TylerH | @duplode Because even on Meta, if your post consists purely of "thanks", it doesn't really belong as an answer. Answers are intended to address questions. This one is just noise (nice noise, but still noise). | |
May 18, 2017 at 20:46 | comment | added | duplode | @TylerH Why is that a problem? This is Meta, after all. | |
May 18, 2017 at 20:42 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | @TylerH because it's good, from time to time, to actually remember people from SO that we do like them. I'm happy to have an answer (not a comment that will disappear) to upvote to that effect. | |
May 18, 2017 at 20:20 | comment | added | TylerH | Why is this not a comment? | |
May 18, 2017 at 19:00 | comment | added | user4639281 | Yeah, the whole "let's involve the community" is a big thing 'round here... you know... where the community hangs out. | |
May 18, 2017 at 18:49 | comment | added | enderland | @JonEricson honestly? It's that your post reads as "we want your help to guide the design of Docs" rather than "we've made this awesome product you will love. do you agree!? why u no agree!?" or some less cheeky variant of that. For example, this post is a great engagement post with the community. It feels less of a "SO ramming this down our throats" to a "SO wants to make this good with the community." | |
May 18, 2017 at 18:46 | comment | added | Jon Ericson Staff | Thanks! If you have a moment, I'd really appreciate know what you see is different than what we've done in the past. I have some ideas, but it's better to hear it directly from you. Other people in the company might appreciate the meta-Meta feedback. | |
May 18, 2017 at 18:40 | history | answered | enderland | CC BY-SA 3.0 |