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Nov 14, 2022 at 16:19 comment added serge calls to violence, like overth(fl)owing a president should it be tolerated? I reported such an exemple to be immediately censored, my comments removed because it seem that moderators are rather agree to such actions. But should it be a political moderation here?
Sep 21, 2021 at 16:52 comment added Ciro Santilli OurBigBook.com @FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier things changed after I made that comment.
Sep 21, 2021 at 14:03 comment added Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier @Ciro the votes actually do not support your allegation
Jun 5, 2021 at 20:23 comment added Ciro Santilli OurBigBook.com BTW the state of votes at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/366163/… appears to be overriding this answer
May 16, 2017 at 6:20 comment added user663031 @BenVoigt I don't claim to understand the exact process by which people are banned by moderators or otherwise. My comment was based on my perhaps incorrect assumption that moderators can ban people for repeated failure to follow their guidance.
May 16, 2017 at 5:57 comment added Ben Voigt @torazaburo: Failure to follow moderator guidance is not a bannable offense. Breaking a rule, particularly continuing to break it after the moderator has given you a chance to stop, could be. Your answer suggests making a rule that some names are not allowed, for which the punishment for (repeatedly/protractedly) breaking is a ban or deletion. But the consequences are associated to the rule violation, not to some misguided elevation of moderators to command instant obedience, and arguing otherwise is disingenuous.
May 16, 2017 at 5:53 comment added user663031 @BenVoigt You appear to have been talking about banning people (simply) for posting certain characters. That is not-so-subtly different from what I described, which is banning in the context of generalized banning of people who fail to follow moderator guidance,
May 16, 2017 at 4:56 comment added Ben Voigt @torazaburo: "No-one is talking about banning people, where did you get that? " Possibly your answer Are these not your words? "Therefore, members who choose to engage in political speech in their handles should be requested to change them. If they refuse to do so, ..., they would be banned or their account deleted."
May 16, 2017 at 2:09 comment added Shadow @Carpetsmoker - the necromancer badge example does not apply here. This is basically a user initiated Denial of Service attack...
May 14, 2017 at 21:10 comment added Martin Tournoij By that logic we should also rename the necromancer badge @animuson, since it doesn't adhere to the "be nice" policy for a small group of people.
May 14, 2017 at 18:17 comment added animuson StaffMod @Carpetsmoker If you have a policy for one group of people, you have to have the policy for every other group of people, otherwise it is taking a stance. We can't go around saying that one group's needs matter more just because there's more of them. That's politics. As well, a user's intention behind a message simply is not relevant. That implies that a user who does not intend for something to happen is allowed to have the statement, even though it would cause the same problem. It can either be allowed or not allowed - there's no middle ground for "well, only if you're not intending this."
May 14, 2017 at 18:05 comment added Martin Tournoij I don't think Stack Overflow changing the username means it is "taking a stance" on this topic, as it's a simple practical matter: 1.2 billion people may have trouble accessing SO because of this username. It is stupid and it sucks that this is the case, but it is what it is. We shouldn't go out of way to abide by China's demands, but at the same time actively trying to bait the Chinese probably isn't great, either, especially given the real practical impact it can have on a large portion of the planet's population.
May 14, 2017 at 16:51 comment added user663031 No-one is talking about banning people, where did you get that?
May 14, 2017 at 16:40 comment added Nicol Bolas @torazaburo: I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with that. To promote local laws to global status is to give global sovereignty to local entities. SO may serve content to those countries, but they do not have offices within those countries. And thus, they should not be subject to those laws, nor should SO willfully subject themselves to those laws. And "everyone else" doesn't follow every local law either. Do you see a rash of webforums banning people for posting characters that the Chinese government declares illegal? What about Wikipedia; do they ban the use of those characters?
May 14, 2017 at 16:39 comment added animuson StaffMod @torazaburo I don't know if you've heard, but Google actually stopped operating in China because they got tired of following local laws there, so they withdrew and let themselves get blocked. On the other hand, pretty much any site would want to remove content inciting racial hatred because why would anyone want that on their site? That's an easy law to follow because it already violates any on-site policy they'd have against hate speech. That's not a country imposing their laws, that's a service acting on very basic policies that most services have.
May 14, 2017 at 16:34 comment added user663031 @NicolBolas Google and FB "choose" to do so because not to choose to do so would entail violating local laws and risk getting shut down; it could also result in criminal claims against its executives. SO should also do so precisely to avoid getting shut down. They should follow all applicable local laws/customs, just like everyone else does. SO's answers should be similar, if not identical, to Google's, because presumably they have the same goals, which is not to be banned and thereby lose the revenue-generating stream of eyeballs the owners presumably care about.
May 14, 2017 at 16:27 comment added Nicol Bolas @torazaburo: "Google and FB do indeed have that responsibility", no they choose to do so. Why should SO choose to do so? And to what end? Which local laws/customs should they follow and which ones should they not care about? Every site that has user-created content has to deal with these questions. Why does SO's answer have to be identical to Google's?
May 14, 2017 at 16:16 comment added user663031 @NicolBolas Google and FB do indeed have that responsibility and take it seriously and execute it. For instance, FB takes down posts that violate India's laws against inciting racial hatred.
May 14, 2017 at 14:24 comment added Nicol Bolas @torazaburo: "it's hardly SO's role to engage in civil disobedience out of some abstract (American) principle." Is it SO's role to prevent acts of civil disobedience, or to prevent statements of agreement or support? Stack Overflow is a website whose content comes from users; how is it SO's responsibility to make sure that users never post anything that could get you in trouble with local laws around the world?
May 14, 2017 at 12:55 comment added user663031 an unsolicited political statement is not much different than an unsolicited product advertisement in that regard. Well, it's completely different, especially if the "statement" is intended or designed to shock or offend certain constituencies, and/or is actively harming other users of the service, not to mention when it is illegal. For instance, a username glorifying Maoist rebels in eastern India would be illegal to use or even possibly view. Whether or not we agree with such laws, it's hardly SO's role to engage in civil disobedience out of some abstract (American) principle.
May 14, 2017 at 12:47 comment added user663031 Calling for them to not be allowed there is calling for any advertisement in a display name to not be allowed, This is a bizarre non-sequitur.
May 14, 2017 at 2:46 comment added Obmerk Kronen " A competent law enforcement agency would figure out " so we are now putting this in the hands of the same government officials that , by your argument, is the root of the problem ?
May 14, 2017 at 2:42 comment added animuson StaffMod @ObmerkKronen Well a huge difference there is that normally if you just planted evidence somewhere, you'd still have to be investigated and proven guilty. Especially in this day and age, it's much easier to prove whether evidence was planted or not. A key difference here is that someone blocking you for simply seeing something on a screen is assuming you are guilty with no trial whatsoever. That isn't the person who planted the evidence causing the problem. A competent law enforcement agency would figure out who planted the evidence, not just immediately convict the person it was found on.
May 14, 2017 at 2:38 comment added Obmerk Kronen I really respect you cautios answer and also, what it stands for . But I find hard to agree with the demagogic-in nature point ( that others have tried to express ) that " keep in mind that we and the users with these display names are not the ones actually causing problems for you" . well, I will take it to the extreme and ask if one plants evidence to a crime in another person's property, can he really say " it is not me that caused the harm, it is the police, or the court system... " ? .this is demagogic argument.that is especially true if that person has explicitly express that goal...
May 14, 2017 at 2:29 history answered animusonStaffMod CC BY-SA 3.0