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Apr 22, 2017 at 0:59 | comment | added | Braiam | @Shog9 Actually, is "shut your mouth and take the money". BTW, a site with swats of trivial answers doesn't seems sexy to me. It's to you? | |
Apr 21, 2017 at 21:53 | comment | added | Shog9 | The easiest answer to most questions on The Workplace is "quit your job", @Braiam. Strictly-speaking, it's a valid answer - and sometimes, it's the best solution. Usually, it's just a lazy answer from someone who doesn't care. | |
Apr 21, 2017 at 15:48 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | @Braiam True, but just because it's the easiest answer to give, that doesn't mean it should be the only answer allowed. It's especially important to keep & allow other answers when they apply to versions that are still in common use, like (for example) the versions used by online testing environments. As I already mentioned, they're useful to users for whom upgrading isn't an option, and they can be useful if the problem resurfaces in future versions. | |
Apr 21, 2017 at 0:06 | comment | added | Braiam | @JustinTime remember that the easiest answer is "upgrade". Therefore, it would be the most up voted and fastest to any of such questions, such questions don't hold too much value. Also, people tend to not go out of their way to install a buggy version to help you in your issue. | |
Apr 20, 2017 at 19:13 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | So, actively going out of our way to deprive anyone that either chooses not to or is unable to use the most recent version of solutions doesn't benefit either Stack Overflow or the users, as it actively decreases the userbase's collective knowledge. Additionally, if the same bugs, or similar ones, show up again in future versions, then knowledge of how they were dealt with in the past could be useful for solving them again. | |
Apr 20, 2017 at 19:04 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | Hobbyists might prefer an answer other than "Upgrade, yo!", too, especially if they're into retrocomputing or have their environment already set up the way they like it. In this case, upgrading is the mechanically best answer, but it's not the best for them if they specifically prefer their outdated version over the newest one. | |
Apr 20, 2017 at 18:56 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | @Braiam Yes, upgrading is the most permanent, and overall most effective solution, but that doesn't mean it's automatically the best and/or only answer in every situation. Large businesses can take months, or even years, to upgrade, for example, simply because they need to be absolutely certain that all of their assets will still work properly after upgrading; if they upgrade the instant a new version comes out, and it breaks some or all of their stuff, they're just going to have to restore from their backups, meaning that upgrading will have actively cost them time and money for no benefit. | |
Apr 20, 2017 at 16:55 | comment | added | Shog9 | Hey, DC is coming back, @Ðаn - those folks with their massive copper cables are gonna be sittin' pretty here soon. | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 23:12 | comment | added | Shog9 | You're being either naive or nasty about this, @Braiam. Awful lot of people who need a fix today even if they can and fully intend to upgrade ASAP. And an awful lot of people for whom ASAP is measured in months if not years. | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 23:05 | comment | added | Braiam | @JustinTime upgrade your stuff is the best possible answer ever if that assures you to solve in a permanent way the current problem. New projects tend to use the new stuff, old projects only have to calculate the upgrade cost vs the "issue" cost, usually, issue cost is way too high, some times, is the reverse. We expect old projects to know what they are getting into... and considering the Windows 98 use, they are effectively background noise, insignificant in the great shemes. | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 22:19 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | 2) If your company relies on software that works properly on Windows XP, but doesn't work at all on Win 7, then you're outright locked out of the "update" solution until you can find alternative software that meets your needs and change your entire infrastructure to use it instead. (This is actually the reason XP's extended lifetime was so long; companies paid MS to keep it maintained because they relied on IE6 and similar programs, and needed the time to slowly shift their infrastructure to something sane.) | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 22:18 | comment | added | Justin Time - Reinstate Monica | @Braiam "upgrade your stuff" isn't always the best or most efficient answer, and in some cases may even be impossible. Two examples: 1) If you don't need any of the new functionality added in an update, and only have one problem with your outdated version, updating to solve that one problem may not be worth the hassle. | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 17:40 | comment | added | Jay | Even if the best solution is "upgrade to the latest version", it would be helpful to communicate that somewhere. i.e. add another answer to the question, don't close the question. | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 11:44 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | But...but... "even if you personally hate the question and are disgusted by the person asking it" awwwww, spoilsport. | |
Apr 19, 2017 at 11:25 | comment | added | Lundin | It should be noted that "too localized" worked much better, as it could also be used for questions of the nature "How do I print text without using the printText() function?", which are always artificial homework questions. Finding the answer to such questions is of no interest to anyone, including the OP (who might however not realize it), since the proper way to solve the problem in a real-world application would be to use the designated language feature for that task. | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 15:11 | comment | added | Dan Field | @Braiam, I've consulted for many clients who have no choice but to work with old versions of software that have many documented bugs (ranging from old versions of IE to old versions of a CRM or ERP platform). "Upgrade your stuff" isn't always an option - or, even when it is an option, it's sometimes an option that will take those clients several years to achieve (due to cost of new licenses, hardware, training users, upgrading/migrating customizations, corporate IT policies, etc). I'm always grateful to find good documentation/work arounds for these kinds of bugs, even when old | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 0:50 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Braiam It isn't about what is sane, it is about what is on-topic. If Chrome 36 is still available then a work around for a bug that exists in Chrome 36 is still on-topic, and may still help future readers (though determining that is highly subjective, so only the on-topic argument counts). | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 0:38 | comment | added | Braiam | @TinyGiant "Just because a solution doesn't work for you, does not mean that it won't work for someone else." In what alternative reality do someone still use Chrome 36? I'm talking about stuff that no one in their sane mind would use! Programmers tend to be sane people. | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 0:34 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Braiam Just because a solution doesn't work for you, does not mean that it won't work for someone else. Would you rob someone else of the knowledge that would help them solve their problem, just because it doesn't help you solve yours? And no, I cannot agree with your last statement. There are many situations where that is not the most productive course of action. | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 0:24 | comment | added | Braiam | @artem I think we can all agree what's more productive for 99.99%: upgrade your stuff. | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 0:24 | comment | added | Braiam | @Shog9 well, how about if the workaround is not for your problem and your problem is something else? We are essentially wasting these people time with questions that doesn't describe their issue. | |
Apr 18, 2017 at 0:21 | comment | added | artem | @Braiam because some software authors actually remove features and make incompatible changes when releasing new versions, in addition to fixing bugs. To reiterate the answer: not everyone agrees on your idea on what's more productive for other people. | |
Apr 17, 2017 at 22:25 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Braiam. sigh unfortunately not everyone is in control of the software they must use. For example, the standard browser for many large companies is still IE8, for which the same argument applies. I honestly don't see what the problem is with leaving stuff open if it only applies to a small portion of the population, and everyone else can ignore it. If it's otherwise on-topic, why is there this obsession with closing every single question that could possibly fit a close reason? | |
Apr 17, 2017 at 22:16 | comment | added | Braiam | @TinyGiant that would just argue back: why should you self-flagellate using a version you know is bug ridden? Isn't more productive focusing on the stuff used by the 99.99% of the population, rather than the outliers? | |
Apr 17, 2017 at 22:01 | comment | added | Shog9 | If there's a work-around for a particular issue in a particular version, I'd err on the side of keeping that @Braiam. If there's no work-around, then at least documenting the existence of a bug in a way that prevents undue frustration can still be valuable. In any case, these are generally a much smaller problem than the one at which this close reason was aimed; a clearly-identifiable problem is always preferable to a misleading one. | |
Apr 17, 2017 at 21:40 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Braiam if it can still be reproduced by using an old version, it can still be reproduced. If the old version is no longer available (such as with a web service), then it can no longer be reproduced. | |
Apr 17, 2017 at 21:35 | comment | added | Braiam | "This will almost invariably affect multiple people until it is fixed", so once it's fixed, what we do? Note, I'm strongly biased towards deleting "fixed" bugs, since the only solution is to upgrade, these are potential waste of time if someone finds the same problem but for entirely different causes. | |
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