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While I don't believe that it's ever how the responses are intended to sound, this is how I feel reading some feedback on posts. It's not limited to the post that is the focus of the op.

One trend that stands out to me is the expectation that users will provide rigorous statistics to back up every claim they make. Often thisit isn't possible data to make such an analysis because data hasn't been provided or is difficult to get, even when it's reasonable to assume that the datait exists somewhere. Responses from employees often lack statistics too, but can convey a tone of "if you don't have any numbers then we'll just assume our version is right".

The response to feedback is that tests show that the change is good. But how are users supposed to run competing tests? There's no way to provide competing statistics, so such a response feels dismissive even if it wasn't intended that way.

A more constructive response would be to add details explaining how a decision was made. The sooner this response can be posted, the less chance it has to get buried in a long, frustrating comment chain. For example, an employee eventually responded to a request for a static top bar with:

majority (like seriously a lot) of our traffic comes from google (both anonymous and loggedin). they very often land in the middle of the page on specific answer (or just quickly scroll down without paying attention to anything we have on top, very often omitting even question itself). so people simply ignore Stack Overflow as a website and everything we offer them, it's more like a place with answers. we're trying to do what's best for users, but we also need something from users because it's the only way this ecosystem may exist. i hope that answer makes sense.

This response is better because it provides insight into the decision, rather than making it feel arbitrary. It points out something that normal users are probably not thinking about. Now they can help brainstorm further solutions that keep this in mind rather than just saying they don't like the change.

While I don't believe that it's ever how the responses are intended to sound, this is how I feel reading some feedback on posts. It's not limited to the post that is the focus of the op.

One trend that stands out to me is the expectation that users will provide rigorous statistics to back up every claim they make. Often this isn't possible data to make such an analysis hasn't been provided, even when it's reasonable to assume that the data exists somewhere. Responses from employees often lack statistics too, but can convey a tone of "if you don't have any numbers then we'll just assume our version is right".

The response to feedback is that tests show that the change is good. But how are users supposed to run competing tests? There's no way to provide competing statistics, so such a response feels dismissive even if it wasn't intended that way.

A more constructive response would be to add details explaining how a decision was made. The sooner this response can be posted, the less chance it has to get buried in a long, frustrating comment chain. For example, an employee eventually responded to a request for a static top bar with:

majority (like seriously a lot) of our traffic comes from google (both anonymous and loggedin). they very often land in the middle of the page on specific answer (or just quickly scroll down without paying attention to anything we have on top, very often omitting even question itself). so people simply ignore Stack Overflow as a website and everything we offer them, it's more like a place with answers. we're trying to do what's best for users, but we also need something from users because it's the only way this ecosystem may exist. i hope that answer makes sense.

This response is better because it provides insight into the decision, rather than making it feel arbitrary. It points out something that normal users are probably not thinking about. Now they can help brainstorm further solutions that keep this in mind rather than just saying they don't like the change.

While I don't believe that it's ever how the responses are intended to sound, this is how I feel reading some feedback on posts. It's not limited to the post that is the focus of the op.

One trend that stands out to me is the expectation that users will provide rigorous statistics to back up every claim they make. Often it isn't possible to make such an analysis because data hasn't been provided or is difficult to get, even when it's reasonable to assume that it exists somewhere. Responses from employees often lack statistics too, but can convey a tone of "if you don't have any numbers then we'll just assume our version is right".

The response to feedback is that tests show that the change is good. But how are users supposed to run competing tests? There's no way to provide competing statistics, so such a response feels dismissive even if it wasn't intended that way.

A more constructive response would be to add details explaining how a decision was made. The sooner this response can be posted, the less chance it has to get buried in a long, frustrating comment chain. For example, an employee eventually responded to a request for a static top bar with:

majority (like seriously a lot) of our traffic comes from google (both anonymous and loggedin). they very often land in the middle of the page on specific answer (or just quickly scroll down without paying attention to anything we have on top, very often omitting even question itself). so people simply ignore Stack Overflow as a website and everything we offer them, it's more like a place with answers. we're trying to do what's best for users, but we also need something from users because it's the only way this ecosystem may exist. i hope that answer makes sense.

This response is better because it provides insight into the decision, rather than making it feel arbitrary. It points out something that normal users are probably not thinking about. Now they can help brainstorm further solutions that keep this in mind rather than just saying they don't like the change.

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davidism
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While I don't believe that it's ever how the responses are intended to sound, this is how I feel reading some feedback on posts. It's not limited to the post that is the focus of the op.

One trend that stands out to me is the expectation that users will provide rigorous statistics to back up every claim they make. Often this isn't possible data to make such an analysis hasn't been provided, even when it's reasonable to assume that the data exists somewhere. Responses from employees often lack statistics too, but can convey a tone of "if you don't have any numbers then we'll just assume our version is right".

The response to feedback is that tests show that the change is good. But how are users supposed to run competing tests? There's no way to provide competing statistics, so such a response feels dismissive even if it wasn't intended that way.

A more constructive response would be to add details explaining how a decision was made. The sooner this response can be posted, the less chance it has to get buried in a long, frustrating comment chain. For example, an employee eventually responded to a request for a static top bar with:

majority (like seriously a lot) of our traffic comes from google (both anonymous and loggedin). they very often land in the middle of the page on specific answer (or just quickly scroll down without paying attention to anything we have on top, very often omitting even question itself). so people simply ignore Stack Overflow as a website and everything we offer them, it's more like a place with answers. we're trying to do what's best for users, but we also need something from users because it's the only way this ecosystem may exist. i hope that answer makes sense.

This response is better because it provides insight into the decision, rather than making it feel arbitrary. It points out something that normal users are probably not thinking about. Now they can help brainstorm further solutions that keep this in mind rather than just saying they don't like the change.