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May 23, 2017 at 12:38 history edited CommunityBot
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Mar 5, 2017 at 10:56 comment added jww Sso what if it is plagiarized? Using the project's own description (less the marketing hyperbole) often seems to be the best choice for concise descriptions. I've never seen a project or company complain when using it since its free advertising. Stack overflow seems to be identifying a problem where one does not exist.
Jan 12, 2017 at 13:38 comment added S.L. Barth is on codidact.com @gnat People get popups saying "I agree with the Terms and Conditions" all the time. Years and years of being exposed to this, has trained many people to just click the annoying pop-up away without reading. I'd prefer to give reviewers a little quiz instead - something that forces attention.
Jan 12, 2017 at 11:43 comment added gnat @BoltClock informing posters upfront is unlikely to work - anyone can suggest an edit and these "anyone" are same random folks who are known to ignore each and every warning about how to properly ask questions. As for informing reviewers upfront that sounds like a good idea. Reviewers are expected to be attentive anyway so giving them some click-through popup prior to first review of tag wiki edit might work (or if popup fails to teach them this will justify ban when they approve wrong edit)
Jan 12, 2017 at 11:36 comment added Cody Gray Mod No, in fact, they often cite prior work. Which makes it not plagiarism. @piet
Jan 12, 2017 at 11:33 comment added piet.t @CodyGray while the high standard for originality certainly holds true for actual content it is certainly not so for definitions of fundamental terms. I'm pretty certain not every one of the hunderds of papers mentioning the definition of e.g. a vector space roll their own formulation - subtle differences in a definition might make it impossible to reuse previous results.
Jan 12, 2017 at 10:12 comment added Cody Gray Mod Your assertion is clearly not true, @piet, or no one would be able to publish scientific or mathematical papers. Academia has a very high standard for originality, while simultaneously maintaining a high standard of accuracy and precision. So it must not be the case that there is only a single correct formulation and everyone has no choice but to parrot it. If you aren't sure what does or does not constitute plagiarism, then perhaps you should contribute in ways other than reviewing.
Jan 12, 2017 at 9:08 history closed gnat
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Duplicate of Stopping tag wiki plagiarism, Part II: Taking Action
Jan 12, 2017 at 8:05 comment added piet.t The problem with mathematical definitions like this is that every every correct forumlation will be >90% identical and if it isn't it is in most cases at least inaccurate if not wrong.
Jan 12, 2017 at 7:47 comment added BoltClock Mod @clearlight: Yeah, I don't blame you. You now know that tag wiki edits are far more likely to be plagiarized than any other type of edit - but you didn't before. So I see where you're coming from.
Jan 12, 2017 at 7:46 comment added clearlight It didn't even occur to me it was plagiarized. I thought that kind of edit was standard operating procedure. I just hadn't had that kind of review issue before. I think maybe tag edits could get their own queue and there could be a warning or something specific to that content.
Jan 12, 2017 at 7:44 comment added clearlight And other thing from that post: "Therefore, let's set a standard that if you find a plagiarized tag wiki or excerpt, meeting the qualifications outlined above, you can flag one of the reviewers' posts detailing what you found. Upon receipt of such a flag, moderators will take action to remove those reviewers from the review queue for x days, where x is a fairly small number at first."
Jan 12, 2017 at 7:43 comment added BoltClock Mod I was not the moderator who issued the review ban, but it's become increasingly clear to me that not all reviewers, let alone users, are aware that plagiarism is taken so seriously on the site. And I'm starting to wonder if maybe we do need to inform posters and reviewers upfront after all (and I don't mean the "copied content" option). I speak as someone who was raised with the notion that plagiarism is one of the most disgusting and scummy things a person could do to another person without physically harming them.
Jan 12, 2017 at 7:41 comment added clearlight And... "How long should the ban be? I don't think this needs to be long at all - just long enough to get the reviewers' attention. A single day would suffice in the vast majority of cases." - First offense, and I didn't even know it was an issue to watch for -- 7 days.
Jan 12, 2017 at 7:41 comment added clearlight Yeah but from the possible duplicate: "The plagiarized part must be substantial such that it qualifies as creative content. This should be determined by a moderator, but it's generally clear cut." That was a very short passage of something that could hardly be characterize as creative. Just saying...
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Jan 12, 2017 at 6:52 comment added gnat see also: There is no shame in using “Skip”
Jan 11, 2017 at 21:59 comment added clearlight Hey, sorry I'm right, ...
Jan 11, 2017 at 21:30 comment added Don't Panic To be completely honest, I downvoted this without reading it first because Draconian.
Jan 11, 2017 at 20:19 answer added Travis J timeline score: 10
Jan 11, 2017 at 19:09 answer added Louis timeline score: 23
Jan 11, 2017 at 19:00 comment added user1228 Whenever I get caught in private doing something dumb, I usually pretend it didn't happen, rather than run around shouting about it.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:56 answer added Michael MyersMod timeline score: 28
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:54 comment added Patrice @Servy I don't see an XOR there, so I stand by my answer :D
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:54 comment added Servy @Patrice But that's above the belt.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:54 comment added Patrice @MichaelMyers for the sake of imagery, I guess... a nailgun through the back that nails him on the wall?
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:53 comment added Michael Myers Mod "nailing me to the wall for it is really hitting below the belt or shooting me in the back" - I'm just trying to picture that
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:53 comment added Patrice @clearlight so, considering I am NOT insulting, condescending, or out to prove you wrong... why do you continue with that kind of language with me here? In any case, I am here trying to HELP you get your message across better... and I get that answer. Do you REALLY think that is warranted?
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:52 comment added Heretic Monkey Slander? Nah, since I didn't say it out loud. Libel, maybe. And I still think you're blowing this way out of proportion, which, as @Patrice has noted, is not helping you. Bombast and bluster rarely help, unless you're running for political office.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:51 comment added clearlight @patrice People have to come to meta and beg for mercy justice while the regulars and powerful sneer and pelt. Just ludicrous for so-called technocrats who are theoretically supposed to gauge arguments on their technical merits.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:51 answer added Servy timeline score: 15
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:51 comment added Patrice @clearlight I am saying that I am able to remain calm and SPEAK about injustice instead of scream atop my lungs. Being able to remain calm is ALWAYS better than screaming or hyperbole. Your question saying "draconian" was there BEFORE you got any answer, so you can't say you only are reactionary.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:49 comment added clearlight @patrice are you saying you don't get outraged by injustice ever?
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:48 comment added clearlight @patrice you could save some of your wisdom in my defense as well. I was taken aback by what happened and miffed, yes, but I was pretty reasonable until every response was intended to make me wrong and not own that there are two sides to this issue. I get impatient with that. I'm only human. Don't think anyone is above getting on the wrong side of something like this.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:46 comment added Cody Gray Mod They see me trollin. They hatin. Patrolling, they tryin to catch me ridin dirty. Well, you always have the right to remain silent.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:44 comment added Patrice @clearlight you can get tired of it, sure. Does it mean the conversation will progress if you keep up that attitude? Unfortunately, no. I get where you may be coming from, but my point is that you are hurting your argument by throwing "sociopathic", "cruel trolls" and "draconian". If you aren't calm and can't express what you feel without using these words, you will be flogged as "just another ranter"... (and I am SORRY... but you are guilty of approving an inappropriate edit. We can argue the punishment is harsh, but not whether or not you are guilty...)
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:42 comment added clearlight @patrice I just get tired of no one giving people the benefit of the doubt or find the reasonable components of dialog but just dogpile everyone here to who try to discuss something right out of the gate. I'm tired of being guilty until proven innocent when we know some of the people here are just basically cruel trolls at heart.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:41 comment added clearlight @MikeMcCaughan The metaphors are apt. Just disregard the hyperbolic exponent and you'll notice that the points are very logical, valid and reasonable. If people want to keep beating me up in a troll pack and refusing to acknowledge ANY of the points I made, at least some of which are valid, then a little sarcasm and hyperbole in response is totally warranted in self-defense. And your 'get a hobby' bs is just snarky petty slander. I have plenty of hobbies.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:39 comment added Patrice Sociopathic? can we calm down on the hyperbole so the conversation can move?
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:37 comment added Heretic Monkey You've certainly used a lot of hyperbolic metaphors here, all in service of... getting to do more chores? Take a break. Maybe answer some questions. Find a hobby. Maybe study something that might help you gain some perspective on exactly what you're fighting for here.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:34 comment added clearlight I didn't suggest it was a speed trap. But some here seem to almost sociopathic in their unwillingness to give people who are contributing and trying to do the right thing the benefit of the doubt. If I was aware that was an issue I would have guarded against it. If you REALLY want to be a hardcore purist about it you'll notice that detecting plagiarism can get pretty complicated. Is the real point to bust people's chops all the time and be militant or to encourage the best behavior in the fairest way or even a kind reasonable way?
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:28 comment added Servy @clearlight People didn't intentionally suggest a plagiaristic edit just to catch you for not doing it, rather you were punished for not doing your job. A much better analogy would be suspending the janitor for just ignoring the banana peel on the sidewalk that they're being tasked with cleaning because they didn't think it was their job to clean it up.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:27 comment added clearlight @BhargavRao yes, that is very illuminating in retrospect.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:25 comment added clearlight Why not just put banana peels on the sidewalk to teach people to watch where they're going too?
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:24 comment added Cody Gray Mod I hardly think it "nails you to the wall". Next time, you'll be much less likely to forget!
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:23 comment added Bhargav Rao Mod Related meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/341306/reason-for-review-ban
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:21 comment added clearlight That doesn't make it right.
Jan 11, 2017 at 18:19 history asked clearlight CC BY-SA 3.0