Timeline for Ideas for proposals to help Stack Overflow create a more positive community?
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Dec 3, 2016 at 7:02 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | Gender has everything to do with it. Most of programmers are male. Very few are black. Those are the gender and race statistics in the field. That is why I said that SO has the "people like us" problem. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 7:00 | comment | added | user4639281 | What does race or gender have to do with this? If you see references to race or gender, flag them as offensive. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 6:59 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | Regardless of the rules and regulations - I am speaking from my own experience - I have had what I consider hostile encounters on SO when I was totally new to it. And you might have had totally different experiences. Let me put it this way for example: a white Caucasian male will hardly ever experience the same discrimination as an Asian female, or a black person. The fact that you have had good experiences doesn't negate that a substantial number of other users have had so called hostile encounters. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 6:52 | comment | added | user4639281 | "People" is ambiguous. Some "people" love this site. They understand the goal, the rules, the guidelines, the culture, etc. Other "people" don't care about our goal, the rules, the guidelines, or the culture. They think that we should put aside all of these things and cater to them and how they think it should be run. You make a change by being active in the community and voicing your opinions strategically. You don't make a change standing on the outside talking about it with other strangers. That said, there are some users who are more hostile and unwelcoming than others in any group. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 6:03 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | @Nathan Tuggy: Or how about this: The original question has merit because it was posted by a human being and that human being said and I quote: The gist of it is that people think that the community of Stack Overflow is hostile and unwelcoming. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 6:02 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @ShamilAssylbekov: To be clear, though, I don't necessarily disagree that SO has problems with many of its users being unnecessarily hostile, or even that there are systemic problems in the site's processes or UI that contribute. But most of the candidates presented by the disgruntled are, to my mind, entirely innocent of the actual problems, and many of them are crucial to the site's operation. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 6:01 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | It is quite evident that my opinion doesn't match yours and some others... And as for the majority... The majority of the electoral college voted for Trump. Well, guess what - I don't care anymore - so it doesn't matter - about the votes, donwvotes, badges etc. It is all not real. It doesn't exist. It doesn't matter - I have finally come to understand it. And I am free. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 5:56 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @ShamilAssylbekov: Alternate hypothesis: there are an awful lot of of people who are unable to distinguish "disagreement with ideas presented" from "personal hostility", or do not even accept that those can be distinguished. Given the trend toward "safe spaces" in colleges in the US these days (where rational discourse is censored heavily to avoid damaging the fragile psyches of students at large), this is a well-attested hypothesis. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 5:52 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | And here we are a year later - and still having this discussion. Does it actually mean that this question has merit? | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 5:50 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | @Nathan Tuggy: There is a reason this thread exists. There is a reason this question got posted. There is a reason there is a similar looking reddit thread. There is a reason for all of this I am sure - regardless of my or your ego. There is a reason - whether you liked it a not - that I more than two years ago have independently googled "why is SO so hostile?" and google autocompleted my search query... Just saying... | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 5:46 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @ShamilAssylbekov: Unless you have a specific explanation for why voting in a particular case is mistaken, it's extremely unwise to reject the votes of the community and assert that your own opinion should be substituted. Most of the time, votes mean that multiple thoughtful people considered an issue and came to particular conclusions, and there's usually no reason to assume they were significantly less competent to judge an argument's value than you are, except one's own natural ego. In short, if your opinion does not match others', seriously consider whether you might be wrong. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 5:43 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @ShamilAssylbekov: Please stop calling answers "comments", even answers to [discussion] questions on meta sites. Either they're actually comments and should be converted or deleted, or they aren't comments at all and the wrong terminology just confuses the issues. On main, answers <=3 score are faded out (unless you hover over them) because they are unreliable; on meta, answers <=8 get the same treatment because they're so thoroughly disagreed with. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 5:14 | history | edited | Chikipowpow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Dec 3, 2016 at 4:50 | comment | added | user4639281 | Ohhhhhhhh I took "The fact that so many IMO good comments (posted not by me) are downvoted so much actually speaks for itself" as referring to the broader situation of comments posted as answers being downvoted across Stack Overfow as a whole, not just the responses to this question. My mistake but you may want to disambiguate that a bit. That completely changes the perceived intent of your answer. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:41 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | And what is the matter with the css shading of comments with less than -9? Makes them hard to read. And this is regardless of whether you agree or disagree with a comment... | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:35 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | Exactly my point. We disagree. Not just about whatever silly SO rules that mean rather nothing. But about what comments here are helpful or not. My opinion is that multiple helpful comments here are downvoted for no good reason. Hence - I am saying that this discussion is great - for the record. We can actually see the hostility in action. Cheers. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:22 | comment | added | user4639281 | You're right, this is meta and this is intended to be a discussion. On main it is not intended to be a discussion, which is why comments aren't allowed to be posted as answers. Also on meta, users show agreement or disagreement with questions and answers through voting. On main, voting is used to indicate usefulness, relevance, completeness, quality, etc. but generally not to show agreement or disagreement. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:18 | comment | added | user4639281 | I do disagree with your comment. I have detailed one of my counter points in my previous comment. Note that voting is different on meta. Downvoting a comment that is posted as an answer is not "abuse". I also did not mean "abuse" as in physical or mental abuse, but rather as to imply that it was an improper use of the feature which is documented as being disallowed. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:17 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | BTW I stopped caring about downvotes and trolls on SO a long long time ago. And thanks to the rules of the meta - I can comment in the meta - so I am exercising my rights. And you downvoting my comment - is your right - but do I need to explain that it is hostile? Or am I supposed to not take it personally? lol wink wink | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:12 | history | edited | Chikipowpow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Dec 3, 2016 at 4:11 | comment | added | Chikipowpow | And you downvoting a comment is not abuse? And how did you exactly disprove anything that I said in my comment? Clearly you disagree with what I am saying since I you downvoted my comment - I imagine. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 4:07 | comment | added | user4639281 | Except that comments in the comment box cannot be downvoted. When people abuse the answer feature by posting comments, questions, or other kinds of non-answers, the tools that we have available to deal with this is downvotes, flags, and delete votes. It is not Stack Overflow's fault that some new users cannot understand the rules and guidelines, if they even bother to read them at all. Other new users read and comprehend the documentation before using a service, thus allowing them a more seamless entry into the system. | |
Dec 3, 2016 at 3:50 | history | answered | Chikipowpow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |