Timeline for Valid reasons for a new moderator unfreezing his inactive room?
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Aug 20, 2018 at 18:52 | comment | added | Royi | Is there a room with moderators in order to contact them easily? | |
Jan 2, 2017 at 7:29 | comment | added | Cerbrus | December 25th, this room was Frozen again for inactivity. December 31st, @AaronHall unfroze it again. At this point, I'm wondering, "What's the point?" The only messages in there since the room was first unfrozen, are a couple of greetings, and someone asking "anyone here?" The room isn't going to become more active by just "existing". | |
Nov 25, 2016 at 20:11 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @AaronHall there are many ways you can defend yourself and your actions, but "the voters have spoken" is entirely irrelevant, and in light of recent voting events in the world, I would concentrate on your own side rather than on the results of various voting systems. I'm not trying to stretch on this debate, everybody has already said what they wanted; this is only some friendly suggestion for rhetoric. | |
Nov 25, 2016 at 18:04 | comment | added | LinkBerest - SO sold our work | @AaronHall What is given here by Shog9 is a start (administrative side) - that if a moderator (any, not just you) steps over a line or can be shown to not acting within the interest of the community then steps can be taken and procedures are in place. As to yourself specifically, "rebuilding" is a slower process so it just time and choices which show trust was placed in the correct hands. Servy's comment is close to my thoughts on your post | |
Nov 25, 2016 at 17:58 | comment | added | Aaron Hall Mod | @JGreenwell what more reassurance do you want? Here's my nomination post: stackoverflow.com/election/8#post-40474659 The voters have spoken, the election is over, and I will serve the voters and users, and not let my hands be tied by baseless recriminations. | |
Nov 25, 2016 at 17:55 | comment | added | LinkBerest - SO sold our work | I will put my hat in the ring of stating that having seen @AaronHall here and at Academia - I consider him very knowledgeable and a good choice for moderator. Yet, I consider the OP's question valid and - considering the history with the entirety of the Python Room - something that needs to be asked. Maybe its just timing, maybe its just that a new moderator did not realize how much his actions will be scrutinized - but the action just screamed at some of us who were involved in the earlier drama. Reassurance from the new mod (and Shog9 with thanks) go a long way towards rebuilding trust. | |
Nov 25, 2016 at 16:06 | history | edited | Michał Perłakowski | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Nov 24, 2016 at 15:51 | comment | added | Pekka | @BoltClock "hmm. Why did Pekka♦ undelete all of Will's 20,000 meme comments? Weird. But it's Pekka; he must know what he's doing" ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED | |
Nov 24, 2016 at 15:27 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | @Andras Deak: It's all part of the plan. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 20:01 | vote | accept | CommunityBot | ||
Nov 23, 2016 at 19:53 | comment | added | user559633 | @Shog9 Your answer, before the "That said," is bang-on. I still think it was using mod permissions for selfish reasons, but you're right, oh god who cares. Please edit so I can accept (I don't want to implicitly agree with "petty jackass") | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 19:42 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @Pekka웃 let me just note that with your history, probably everyone will believe that you know what you're doing, even if you're walking the line. At least to me, it makes all the difference whether a shady gesture is made by someone genuine or someone with questionable posture (generally speaking, not to be applied to this specific situation). | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 19:33 | comment | added | Pekka | For the record, if I am ever elected moderator, I am going to abuse the system in much more interesting and colourful ways. Promise! | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:49 | comment | added | user559633 | @Pekka웃 I think he'll be a fine moderator. He takes it seriously and is emotionally invested. I think this specific action has a smell and I brought it up. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:48 | comment | added | Pekka | @tristan Aaron may be bad moderator material as you say. He also may be great moderator material. He could also change either way now that he has the job. I really don't know; as said, I know nothing about him. But this action was the wrong action to call attention to his potentially being a bad moderator, because it was not a problematic action if looked at on its own (which is the only way most of us can look at it.) That's on you. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:47 | comment | added | user559633 | @Shog9 I mean, you did call him a "petty jackass", so would it be so wild if this was a demonstrative action? | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:45 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | That's just careless advice, @Pekka웃. Remember the story of the boy who cried wolf? When the wolf did arrive, his proactive wolf-drills had the townsfolk well-prepared, and many a person thanked him over a bowl of hearty wolf-stew. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:41 | comment | added | Clive | I don't know who you're referring to, I don't see any humour here but I'll assume you didn't mean me... Regardless, the comment you linked to doesn't explain anything in all honesty. Without real context, this looks a bit like a witch hunt from here. Feel like I have to clarify: I didn't vote for Aaron so I don't have a horse in this race | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:39 | comment | added | user559633 | The comment noise and people eager to try to be amusing have made it into a mud pit. The unfortunate context matters, but the concern is centered around what I mentioned here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/338337/… It's not the what, it's the why. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:36 | comment | added | Clive | @tristan I don't know any of the backstory here so I'm seeing this fresh - what's the problem exactly? Are you complaining about the action that was taken, or are you complaining that the moderator has those powers to begin with? To a neutral it looks like you're using the first to make a point of the second. Does that cover it or is there more to it? | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:32 | comment | added | user559633 | @Bart; Pekka Go ahead and put whatever words in my mouth helps you go about your day, but I was talking about the action and that's an important framing detail. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:28 | comment | added | Pekka | @Bart tl;dr: "I don't like this moderator; I said so during the nomination phase; people didn't listen to me; now I'll use anything to make him look bad." 2016 elections in a nutshell, eh | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:24 | comment | added | Bart | "it's actually that the election system rewarded someone that doesn't act earnestly (e.g. his behavior in the comments on his answer) and adding a moderator with questionable intentions" ... There we have it. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 18:19 | comment | added | Pekka | @tristan that doesn't change the fact that criticizing someone for unfreezing a room that they could have just recreated with the click of a button looks pretty crazy. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 16:37 | comment | added | user559633 | @AaronHall it's not about re-opening the room. Search page for "You're doing it again." Just be honest and people will respect you for owning up to your actions. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 16:36 | comment | added | user559633 | Based on the timing of the edit on Aaron's answer immediately following yours, I assume that some coaching has been done; thank you. This isn't jumping the gun; this is smelling smoke and warning adults. You didn't correctly infer my real concern -- it's actually that the election system rewarded someone that doesn't act earnestly (e.g. his behavior in the comments on his answer) and adding a moderator with questionable intentions. I'm sorry, but we both know he didn't unfreeze the room for anything other than egotistical reasons. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 16:31 | comment | added | Aaron Hall Mod | Thank you for this. I did not have any idea that people would get upset with me reopening a room. I'm sorry for the apparent conflict of interest, but it's something I've seen mods do over and over again for their own rooms - so as far as I know, it's something I'm supposed to do. | |
Nov 23, 2016 at 16:25 | history | answered | Shog9Mod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |