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Discussions of gender issues that come up on Stack Overflow are on-topic here, provided they are constructive questions. Discussions of how Stack Overflow tries to remain gender neutralhow Stack Overflow tries to remain gender neutral are definitely on topic, as it is about Stack Overflow and how it is moderated. Likewise, questions about why a gender field is not on the profile is on topic. So we can have on-topic discussions about gender on Meta Stack Overflow.

Discussions of gender issues that come up on Stack Overflow are on-topic here, provided they are constructive questions. Discussions of how Stack Overflow tries to remain gender neutral are definitely on topic, as it is about Stack Overflow and how it is moderated. Likewise, questions about why a gender field is not on the profile is on topic. So we can have on-topic discussions about gender on Meta Stack Overflow.

Discussions of gender issues that come up on Stack Overflow are on-topic here, provided they are constructive questions. Discussions of how Stack Overflow tries to remain gender neutral are definitely on topic, as it is about Stack Overflow and how it is moderated. Likewise, questions about why a gender field is not on the profile is on topic. So we can have on-topic discussions about gender on Meta Stack Overflow.

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All I can see that it adds that is meaningful is it makes discussions about gender on Stack Overflow easier to find, which is what tags are for in the first place. This can be useful for research.

All I can see that it adds that is meaningful is it makes discussions about gender on Stack Overflow easier to find. This can be useful for research.

All I can see that it adds that is meaningful is it makes discussions about gender on Stack Overflow easier to find, which is what tags are for in the first place. This can be useful for research.

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Gender is not irrelevant to discuss on Meta. I see other answersanswers* are arguing the case that the discussions are on-topic and therefore the tag is fine. But is that enough to keep the tag?

I don't think any of us are going to argue that "gender"the tag does not meandescribe the same thingdiscussions it's applied to more if not all users who read the tag. IYes, the description may also do not think we're arguingappear in the title and text of the post, and it will almost always be obvious from these that the question is about gender. But do we remove from a question just because it does not describe whatis clear the questions it's onquestion is about Java? No!

Tags are discussingfor classification. Whether the post makes it clear what the topic is is irrelevant to whether the tag is useful.

All I can see that it adds that is meaningful is it makes discussions about gender on Stack Overflow easier to find. This can be useful for research.

Say I want to research how certain programming sites handle the gender issue. The gender tag will make the a few cases:lot easier and help not grab posts that mention gender but are not about gender. Likewise, if I want to create a discussion on Meta about gender, I may wish to research previous discussions first to ensure my topic has not been thoroughly covered already.

I don't think any of us here will argue much about the meaning of "gender."

Alright, so at most we have a failure rate of 1/4. Not a huge failure rate.

Does the tag get in the way or cause issues? I don't think it does. Is the tag very small? Yes. 8 questions is not a lot.

That alone is not a reason to burninate a tag! We don't burn tags because they are small or have little traffic. We would not, say, remove the tag just because it has only a few questions. We burn tags because they do not fit the purpose of tags, are ambiguous, or are causing problems. That people bring on-topic discussions to Meta and you are tired of seeing them does not mean they are causing problems.

Yes, these repeated gender discussions can get tedious, annoying, and in some cases heated. That does not make the tag a bad tag.

TL;DR: Yes, gender should not be brought up on Stack Overflow. It's on topic on Meta, the tag is causing no harm, and a tag only having a few questions does not mean it needs to be removed.


* Yes, I see ryanyuyu covered these points in their answer as well, but I read their message as slightly different than mine. And it doesn't hurt two have two takes on the checklist.

Gender is not irrelevant to discuss on Meta. I see other answers are arguing the case that the discussions are on-topic and therefore the tag is fine. But is that enough to keep the tag?

I don't think any of us are going to argue that "gender" does not mean the same thing to more if not all users who read the tag. I also do not think we're arguing that it does not describe what the questions it's on are discussing.

All I can see that it adds that is meaningful is it makes discussions about gender on Stack Overflow easier to find. This can be useful for a few cases:

Gender is not irrelevant to discuss on Meta. I see other answers* are arguing the case that the discussions are on-topic and therefore the tag is fine. But is that enough to keep the tag?

I don't think any of us are going to argue that the tag does not describe the discussions it's applied to. Yes, the description may also appear in the title and text of the post, and it will almost always be obvious from these that the question is about gender. But do we remove from a question just because it is clear the question is about Java? No!

Tags are for classification. Whether the post makes it clear what the topic is is irrelevant to whether the tag is useful.

All I can see that it adds that is meaningful is it makes discussions about gender on Stack Overflow easier to find. This can be useful for research.

Say I want to research how certain programming sites handle the gender issue. The gender tag will make the a lot easier and help not grab posts that mention gender but are not about gender. Likewise, if I want to create a discussion on Meta about gender, I may wish to research previous discussions first to ensure my topic has not been thoroughly covered already.

I don't think any of us here will argue much about the meaning of "gender."

Alright, so at most we have a failure rate of 1/4. Not a huge failure rate.

Does the tag get in the way or cause issues? I don't think it does. Is the tag very small? Yes. 8 questions is not a lot.

That alone is not a reason to burninate a tag! We don't burn tags because they are small or have little traffic. We would not, say, remove the tag just because it has only a few questions. We burn tags because they do not fit the purpose of tags, are ambiguous, or are causing problems. That people bring on-topic discussions to Meta and you are tired of seeing them does not mean they are causing problems.

Yes, these repeated gender discussions can get tedious, annoying, and in some cases heated. That does not make the tag a bad tag.

TL;DR: Yes, gender should not be brought up on Stack Overflow. It's on topic on Meta, the tag is causing no harm, and a tag only having a few questions does not mean it needs to be removed.


* Yes, I see ryanyuyu covered these points in their answer as well, but I read their message as slightly different than mine. And it doesn't hurt two have two takes on the checklist.

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