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After my experience earlier with a question that has a large reach and has shown that it is clearly a valued community resource (both on and off Stack Overflow), I have done a little thinking which could address this long-standing problem which has been discussed beforehas been discussed before including, but not limited to, possibly imposing a time restriction from following a link from meta before being able to vote on a question.

The problem with the Meta effectMeta effect is well documented, but summarizing in my own words here to keep the sanity of this article for future use, is, whenever an article is linked to on meta it creates an effect where otherwise potentially good standing reference material takes a hit, which may carry more weight from tone of the meta topic than the article in question.


  

  

  

After my experience earlier with a question that has a large reach and has shown that it is clearly a valued community resource (both on and off Stack Overflow), I have done a little thinking which could address this long-standing problem which has been discussed before including, but not limited to, possibly imposing a time restriction from following a link from meta before being able to vote on a question.

The problem with the Meta effect is well documented, but summarizing in my own words here to keep the sanity of this article for future use, is, whenever an article is linked to on meta it creates an effect where otherwise potentially good standing reference material takes a hit, which may carry more weight from tone of the meta topic than the article in question.


 

 

 

After my experience earlier with a question that has a large reach and has shown that it is clearly a valued community resource (both on and off Stack Overflow), I have done a little thinking which could address this long-standing problem which has been discussed before including, but not limited to, possibly imposing a time restriction from following a link from meta before being able to vote on a question.

The problem with the Meta effect is well documented, but summarizing in my own words here to keep the sanity of this article for future use, is, whenever an article is linked to on meta it creates an effect where otherwise potentially good standing reference material takes a hit, which may carry more weight from tone of the meta topic than the article in question.

 
 
 
Copy edited (e.g. ref. <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/downvote> and <http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19478/the-many-me>). Used the official name of Stack Overflow - see section "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name" in <http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance> (the last section).
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A potential solution for the Meta Effecteffect on questions

After my experience earlier with a question that has a large reach and has shown that it is clearly a valued community resource (both on and off StackOverflowStack Overflow), I have done a little thinking which could address this long standing-standing problem which [has been discussed before][1]has been discussed before including, but not limited to, possibly imposing a time restriction from following a link from meta before being able to vote on a question.

The problem with the Meta EffectMeta effect is well documented, but summarizing in my own words here to keep the sanity of this article for future use, is, whenever an article is linked to on meta it creates an effect where otherwise potentially good standing reference material takes a hit, which may carry more weight from tone of the meta topic than the article in question.

This problem while seemingly innocuous, has been known to damage or otherwise cause harm to valued information by the community at large, usually in the form of multiple down-votesdownvotes and/or closure or a series of closure attempts on an article that in it's capacity by votes from the community on the questions and answers and number of views, has proven to be deemed worthy of keeping.

What I propose, is a form of aging mechanism where if the question has been around a while, that if the link to it is found in meta, down-votesdownvotes should not be allowed (see rest of article for proposed enhanced voting mechanism) if the question was in good standing (and mature) prior to the link existing in meta.

Lets take the 'cake recipe' example as someone pointed out before. UnderUnder this notion, the claim is that someone could post a cake recipe which is not relevant to stackoverflowStack Overflow, and that it would somehow stand the test of time because users are finding what they seek, and thus would just upvote it. II disagree with this notion as a cake recipe, would be unlikely to pass muster with the question review system for posting a new question, and several people "the community" (at large) watching the list of new questions would almost immediately flag it as a bad question. Additionally

Additionally, I am aware that older articles come up for review from time to time, so there is a continuance in play to ensure that the article passes as relevant, and such.

The meta effect changes this, in that even though an article is in good standing, and has shown it's value to the community at large, it gets swarmed and downvoted / close requested  . ItIt is unfortunate, but this is a mob mentality when presented with something in a negative context, the reaction is often negative and immediate bias. II do not believe this is healthy for the community at large as StackOverflowStack Overflow has become something that people rely upon. WhileWhile information may go stale, links go bad, etc. It is not fair for an article to be subject to the meta effect simply due to being mentioned after years of good standing.

If there wasn't a review system in place that periodically pops up old articles to double-check, and there wasn't a community at large, and meta was the only way to ensure articles pass muster, then I would be in agreement with the effect. However there are already numerous checks and balances in place already which I feel that if thousands of community members have given their approval by vote (or not voting at all), that this should also be considered when engaging as a participant to cause a meta effect. ThisThis is why I feel that the maturity of an article must be taken into consideration and a vote lockout if the question appears in meta and the question is mature. The flagging system can still be in place, but possibly it could require more votes to take an action  ? LikeLike a close request on a meta linked question could take 25 votes instead of 5. ThisThis would allow the community at large who voted for the questions value over the years to have a chance to participate in the decision to close.

There should also be a 'objections to close` link where close votes are there. CurrentlyCurrently, there is only the negative portion signaling only the number of close requests, but not the number of requests to keep it open. To

To keep it fair, there should be a second count allowing the community to vote in either direction -- keep, or close. WhicheverWhichever one reaches 25 or some arbitrary number first, wins the request, and the question is locked at that status and then protected.

My proposal only applies to articles that are both mature (maturity / aging system TBD), and in good standing. I do feel that these articles should be vote-locked until such a time that the article is either voted "keep" and moved to protected articles, or voted "close" and marked as close or deleted. No further action on the tradtionaltraditional voting segment should be allowed. It is sort of a secondary vote mechanism, but ONLY for mature articles in good standing. Rest would be subject to standard meta effect as it does apply on newer articles.

the main problem here is that the closures happens by a select few rapidly without giving the rest of the community at large any real chance. for that chance to happen for the thousands of people to have their say they would all have to be online and focused on that article during the few minutes it takes for the closure and down-votesdownvotes to occur. iI am proposing a system where if something has been linked on meta that it has a chance to get feedback from a larger portion of the community before anything radical happens to the post.

A potential solution for the Meta Effect on questions

After my experience earlier with a question that has a large reach and has shown that it is clearly a valued community resource (both on and off StackOverflow), I have done a little thinking which could address this long standing problem which [has been discussed before][1] including but not limited to possibly imposing a time restriction from following a link from meta before being able to vote on a question.

The problem with the Meta Effect is well documented, but summarizing in my own words here to keep the sanity of this article for future use, is, whenever an article is linked to on meta it creates an effect where otherwise potentially good standing reference material takes a hit, which may carry more weight from tone of the meta topic than the article in question.

This problem while seemingly innocuous, has been known to damage or otherwise cause harm to valued information by the community at large, usually in the form of multiple down-votes and/or closure or a series of closure attempts on an article that in it's capacity by votes from the community on the questions and answers and number of views, has proven to be deemed worthy of keeping.

What I propose, is a form of aging mechanism where if the question has been around a while, that if the link to it is found in meta, down-votes should not be allowed (see rest of article for proposed enhanced voting mechanism) if the question was in good standing (and mature) prior to the link existing in meta.

Lets take the 'cake recipe' example as someone pointed out before. Under this notion, the claim is that someone could post a cake recipe which is not relevant to stackoverflow, and that it would somehow stand the test of time because users are finding what they seek, and thus would just upvote it. I disagree with this notion as a cake recipe, would be unlikely to pass muster with the question review system for posting a new question, and several people "the community" (at large) watching the list of new questions would almost immediately flag it as a bad question. Additionally, I am aware that older articles come up for review from time to time, so there is a continuance in play to ensure that the article passes as relevant, and such.

The meta effect changes this, in that even though an article is in good standing, and has shown it's value to the community at large, it gets swarmed and downvoted / close requested  . It is unfortunate, but this is a mob mentality when presented with something in a negative context, the reaction is often negative and immediate bias. I do not believe this is healthy for the community at large as StackOverflow has become something that people rely upon. While information may go stale, links go bad, etc. It is not fair for an article to be subject to the meta effect simply due to being mentioned after years of good standing.

If there wasn't a review system in place that periodically pops up old articles to double-check, and there wasn't a community at large, and meta was the only way to ensure articles pass muster, then I would be in agreement with the effect. However there are already numerous checks and balances in place already which I feel that if thousands of community members have given their approval by vote (or not voting at all), that this should also be considered when engaging as a participant to cause a meta effect. This is why I feel that the maturity of an article must be taken into consideration and a vote lockout if the question appears in meta and the question is mature. The flagging system can still be in place, but possibly it could require more votes to take an action  ? Like a close request on a meta linked question could take 25 votes instead of 5. This would allow the community at large who voted for the questions value over the years to have a chance to participate in the decision to close.

There should also be a 'objections to close` link where close votes are there. Currently, there is only the negative portion signaling only the number of close requests, but not the number of requests to keep it open. To keep it fair, there should be a second count allowing the community to vote in either direction -- keep, or close. Whichever one reaches 25 or some arbitrary number first, wins the request, and the question is locked at that status and then protected.

My proposal only applies to articles that are both mature (maturity / aging system TBD), and in good standing. I do feel that these articles should be vote-locked until such a time that the article is either voted "keep" and moved to protected articles, or voted "close" and marked as close or deleted. No further action on the tradtional voting segment should be allowed. It is sort of a secondary vote mechanism, but ONLY for mature articles in good standing. Rest would be subject to standard meta effect as it does apply on newer articles.

the main problem here is that the closures happens by a select few rapidly without giving the rest of the community at large any real chance. for that chance to happen for the thousands of people to have their say they would all have to be online and focused on that article during the few minutes it takes for the closure and down-votes to occur. i am proposing a system where if something has been linked on meta that it has a chance to get feedback from a larger portion of the community before anything radical happens to the post.

A potential solution for the Meta effect on questions

After my experience earlier with a question that has a large reach and has shown that it is clearly a valued community resource (both on and off Stack Overflow), I have done a little thinking which could address this long-standing problem which has been discussed before including, but not limited to, possibly imposing a time restriction from following a link from meta before being able to vote on a question.

The problem with the Meta effect is well documented, but summarizing in my own words here to keep the sanity of this article for future use, is, whenever an article is linked to on meta it creates an effect where otherwise potentially good standing reference material takes a hit, which may carry more weight from tone of the meta topic than the article in question.

This problem while seemingly innocuous, has been known to damage or otherwise cause harm to valued information by the community at large, usually in the form of multiple downvotes and/or closure or a series of closure attempts on an article that in it's capacity by votes from the community on the questions and answers and number of views, has proven to be deemed worthy of keeping.

What I propose, is a form of aging mechanism where if the question has been around a while, that if the link to it is found in meta, downvotes should not be allowed (see rest of article for proposed enhanced voting mechanism) if the question was in good standing (and mature) prior to the link existing in meta.

Lets take the 'cake recipe' example as someone pointed out before. Under this notion, the claim is that someone could post a cake recipe which is not relevant to Stack Overflow, and that it would somehow stand the test of time because users are finding what they seek, and thus would just upvote it. I disagree with this notion as a cake recipe, would be unlikely to pass muster with the question review system for posting a new question, and several people "the community" (at large) watching the list of new questions would almost immediately flag it as a bad question.

Additionally, I am aware that older articles come up for review from time to time, so there is a continuance in play to ensure that the article passes as relevant, and such.

The meta effect changes this, in that even though an article is in good standing, and has shown it's value to the community at large, it gets swarmed and downvoted / close requested. It is unfortunate, but this is a mob mentality when presented with something in a negative context, the reaction is often negative and immediate bias. I do not believe this is healthy for the community at large as Stack Overflow has become something that people rely upon. While information may go stale, links go bad, etc. It is not fair for an article to be subject to the meta effect simply due to being mentioned after years of good standing.

If there wasn't a review system in place that periodically pops up old articles to double-check, and there wasn't a community at large, and meta was the only way to ensure articles pass muster, then I would be in agreement with the effect. However there are already numerous checks and balances in place already which I feel that if thousands of community members have given their approval by vote (or not voting at all), that this should also be considered when engaging as a participant to cause a meta effect. This is why I feel that the maturity of an article must be taken into consideration and a vote lockout if the question appears in meta and the question is mature. The flagging system can still be in place, but possibly it could require more votes to take an action? Like a close request on a meta linked question could take 25 votes instead of 5. This would allow the community at large who voted for the questions value over the years to have a chance to participate in the decision to close.

There should also be a 'objections to close` link where close votes are there. Currently, there is only the negative portion signaling only the number of close requests, but not the number of requests to keep it open.

To keep it fair, there should be a second count allowing the community to vote in either direction -- keep, or close. Whichever one reaches 25 or some arbitrary number first, wins the request, and the question is locked at that status and then protected.

My proposal only applies to articles that are both mature (maturity / aging system TBD), and in good standing. I do feel that these articles should be vote-locked until such a time that the article is either voted "keep" and moved to protected articles, or voted "close" and marked as close or deleted. No further action on the traditional voting segment should be allowed. It is sort of a secondary vote mechanism, but ONLY for mature articles in good standing. Rest would be subject to standard meta effect as it does apply on newer articles.

the main problem here is that the closures happens by a select few rapidly without giving the rest of the community at large any real chance. for that chance to happen for the thousands of people to have their say they would all have to be online and focused on that article during the few minutes it takes for the closure and downvotes to occur. I am proposing a system where if something has been linked on meta that it has a chance to get feedback from a larger portion of the community before anything radical happens to the post.

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