Timeline for Remove or Overhaul Reputation in Documentation
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Aug 17, 2016 at 12:34 | comment | added | David MacNeil | I think that rather than a slider for distributing Rep to users who have edited a document, that a vote on usefulness of edit would be nice, or maybe the OP can tag the edit as "Grammar", "General Knowledge", or something similar, and that will have an affect on rep gained as well. | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 16:31 | comment | added | samgak | Giving rep to every editor of an example also subverts the daily upvote limits. With a few upvotes of popular examples, an upvoter can distribute literally thousands of rep points. | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 13:32 | comment | added | CubeJockey | I think it's important to mention the unlocking of SO moderation privileges via rep earned in Docs. | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 13:11 | comment | added | Braiam | @DocSalvager because comments can be deleted for any reason, they aren't everlasting. | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 5:25 | comment | added | DocSalvager | So why is that comments can only be upvoted? | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 4:52 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @DocSalvager: "How does downvoting improve quality in a way that upvoting does not?" It solves the problem of not being able to lower something that doesn't deserve to be higher. Sure, you could upvote everything else, but that's ridiculous. You want to say "this is crap" not "everything else is better". | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 4:13 | comment | added | DocSalvager | How does downvoting improve quality in a way that upvoting does not? What problem does it solve? | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 4:10 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @DocSalvager: The ability to downvote does not cause examples to disappear. They simply move down in the sort order. Furthermore, a pop-up appears when you downvote an example which permits you to explain what the downvote is for, in the form of a request for improvement. So that's two ways what you said doesn't make sense. | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 4:08 | comment | added | DocSalvager | Restrict downvoting to high-rep users or eliminate it entirely. -- It can never encourage better documentation because there is no feedback as to why the item was downvoted. Without that guidance, the author just gets upset and stops trying. Downvoting is not necessary. Upvoting makes the best documentation of a given topic bubble to the top but allows lower quality ones to remain. Even the worst version often contains correct and valuable information that the best answer lacks... and that solves a specific reader's problem. (better @NicolBolas?) | |
Jul 27, 2016 at 3:44 | comment | added | DocSalvager | No rep gain/loss for edits. Write new version of topic instead with reference to what was pulled from original. Best revision bubbles to top. -- These comments show that extensive editing with rep +/- is way too complex to encourage what is desired. No-rep-for-edits limits them to small but important fixes. I'm tremendously excited about Documentation as I think I can make a better contribution here than in Q&A. | |
Jul 26, 2016 at 21:45 | comment | added | underscore_d | "an incentive for bad behavior is far worse than no incentive at all." <- THIS. Read it and weep, SO. And then remove reputation from this unless you prove you can do it properly. You have manifestly failed to do so thus far, and by putting live a beta scheme that contradicts your whole (former?) goal, you're making the place look like a laughing stock. Do you really want to encourage yet more valuable high-rep users to quit? And the resulting void to be filled by minor edit leeches? What a mess. | |
Jul 26, 2016 at 15:16 | comment | added | Frank | Seems more closely analogous to cybersquatting that FGITW en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersquatting | |
Jul 26, 2016 at 13:36 | comment | added | geek1011 | @DalijaPrasnikar Maybe an accept type (spelling/grammar, formatting, example, syntax, topic) the last 3 would be auto determined | |
Jul 26, 2016 at 13:11 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | IMO there should be distinction between formatting/spelling and similar edits and edits that contribute knowledge and know-how. Only second type of edits should gain reputation and first ones should only get one time editing reputation. | |
Jul 26, 2016 at 13:06 | comment | added | Ajedi32 | "So you can't use some heuristic like number of characters changed to decide if someone should get rep from the change." I disagree. I think that's exactly what we should do. Sure it's not perfect, but I think making rep gain proportional to number of characters added is far better than the status quo of just assuming all "significant" contributions to an example are equally valuable. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 22:16 | comment | added | user4151918 | @Mysticial Heh. Dividing 10 rep 100 ways. I doubt anyone envisioned ever needing to store fractional rep in the db int field. :) Why don't we just give 1 rep for a doc upvote instead of 10, AND cap that to 25/day. | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 22:10 | comment | added | Mysticial | @JoshCaswell AHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHAHA | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 22:09 | comment | added | user4151918 | @FrédéricHamidi Hmm... I never considered that aspect, but that's what's happened. Good point! Hopefully the upcoming rep adjustment will restore some semblance of merit to SO rep. | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 22:08 | comment | added | jscs | This was proposed in all seriousness, @Mysticial: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/329336 | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 22:06 | comment | added | Mysticial | The solution obviously is to present the upvoter a menu with hundred slider bars - one for each contributor. The upvoter will then need to look at the edit history and decide how the rep from his/her upvote will be distributed among all of them. | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 21:40 | comment | added | Frédéric Hamidi | In addition, since nobody has made that argument AFAICT, I will do it. Remember all the requests for a Stack Overflow à deux vitesses? Like, one site for the experts and another for everyone else? Remember how we always decline these requests, and why we do so? Well, Documentation manages to implement exactly that in the worst way possible -- by segregating away experts due to disputable contributions from everyone else, and merging the two groups' reputation gain. | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 21:37 | comment | added | Braiam | I fell that I have heard this same argument many times over the previous days and wonder "Why nobody hear these guys"... | |
Jul 25, 2016 at 21:33 | history | answered | Nicol Bolas | CC BY-SA 3.0 |