Skip to main content
14 events
when toggle format what by license comment
Jul 22, 2016 at 15:57 comment added Bartek Banachewicz @Pops Actually what you came up is a form of a VCS. It tracks things and changes to them. Except it's a proprietary in-house solution instead of an open one, which supposedly should be tailored better to what we're gonna create here. I get that part; I eagerly await to see it actually perform better than solutions based on existing VCS systems.
Jul 22, 2016 at 15:19 comment added Pops StaffMod @BartekBanachewicz you won't be finding much of that in the posts I described. As far as I know, our approach was more along the lines of "The state of technical documentation could be better. Let's come up with a solution. Don't feel limited or restricted by existing solutions or preconceived notions about what our solution has to look like; instead, work it out from basic principles." And many months later, it so happened that what we came up with ended up not being substantially similar to a VCS.
Jul 22, 2016 at 15:00 comment added Bartek Banachewicz @Pops Then I will wait with closing this question until those posts actually appear and some factual reasoning is brought to the table as to why using an existing tool like Microsoft and others did was not a good option here. If anything, it will certainly bring a lot of educational value for making such decisions.
Jul 22, 2016 at 14:27 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution @Pops Thanks for copying. The successful collaborative editing is surely the heart of the whole thing. I'm curious what ideas there have been to solve problems like edit conflicts or duplication of content or categorization. :)
Jul 22, 2016 at 14:08 comment added Pops StaffMod @Trilarion there actually was a lot of "here's the thought process behind why X was designed this way" writing posted during the private beta. We're working on migrating those posts over to meta now that private beta is over, it'll just take the standard 6-8 weeks. Sorry for the delay!
Jul 22, 2016 at 13:17 comment added Cerbrus Here's an example.
Jul 22, 2016 at 13:01 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution "Problems can have multiple solutions. ..." That is the whole defense? I would have expected more arguments why the new solution is better (or at least not much worse). Some ideas how to efficiently solve edit conflicts for example. What worries me most is the lack of public ideas on tackling the core problems of the chosen approach.
Jul 21, 2016 at 20:21 comment added Pops StaffMod @BenVoigt That's fair. Q&A was always more of a screwdriver than a multitool. I.e. it was designed to handle "I have this specific problem" well, but not worry about discussions. I've been thinking a bit in past weeks about just what you said, how we don't make a lot of big feature changes to Q&A anymore. A lot of it is that Q&A is simply a mature, more-or-less smoothly running thing now, and big new systems would be disruptive yet probably not that helpful. But that's not the case with Docs; the team's position is to be receptive to "big change" ideas (though they may still take time).
Jul 21, 2016 at 19:57 comment added Ben Voigt Pops, I think the problem is the perception that the structuring of SO Q&A really hasn't changed in any fundamental way since inception. A lot of that is presented as "we're totally convinced this is The One True Way", but it's hard not to think that some improvements have been skipped not because they're bad but just because they're too much effort. And people are convinced that Documentation will follow the same appears-to-be-superficial-changes-only-to-backend approach, while it would really benefit from a complete overhaul. And that overhaul only gets more expensive the longer it waits.
Jul 21, 2016 at 17:15 comment added Pops StaffMod @NicolBolas that... is true. If it helps, I think it was more true in the past than it will be from here on out. I'm not just saying that because you raised the point and I want to reply, it's more that we've now moved on to a new phase in the project. We absolutely love the SO community; without you, we would have nothing. But design by committee is hard, even when the committee size is as small as "part of the SO dev team." As the system matures, we'll have a better understanding of how things work in practice and where we can integrate community suggestions.
Jul 21, 2016 at 17:07 comment added Adam Lear StaffMod @NicolBolas That's fair. I don't know if there's another way to respond to feedback along the lines of "I haven't seen it yet, but I think you should just scrap the whole thing", which is what we got sometimes, but either way - the wait is over and we're finally at the "see" part. We'll find out how this whole thing works out. It might or it might not. As Pops said, we believe in what we've got so far, but failure is always an option.
Jul 21, 2016 at 17:02 comment added davidism And also because of the feeling we've had of shouting in the void with with feature requests in general.
Jul 21, 2016 at 17:02 comment added Nicol Bolas "I can't be 100% sure why you feel that way without examples, but my best guess is that we're not yet making major changes in response to the feedback we've gotten so far, or scrapping the whole project and using a VCS or some other system." People say that because this is how it has been with Docs.SO from its very inception. Nothing significant about the direction of Docs.SO has been driven by the community. The only suggestions that have been taken into consideration are small things. Everything else has been dismissed with a "wait and see" attitude.
Jul 21, 2016 at 16:56 history answered PopsStaffMod CC BY-SA 3.0